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So, I work in the Union Station in Ogden, Utah (www.theunionstation.org) -- a city-owned railroad and history museum. Next Tuesday a Union Pacific steam engine -- the UP 844 -- is visiting us, so folks are very excited and much talk of photography is rampant.

I work in the history archive, and I was sitting there Friday morning when a man came in, admired all the train photos on the wall, and said he hopes to shoot the steam engine with this camera his father left him, and could I answer some questions?

He said he has a Mamiya RB67 Pro (might be an RZ -- I forget) and proceeds to tell me he thinks he has a lens -- an 80, or maybe it's a 150 -- and there are backs and this bellows thing, and he bought some film and he's read the manual twice, but when I show him the light meter app on my iPad he's asking me "so how do you know which lens opening to use? It's about more light and less, right?" and it quickly becomes apparent that he has no clue how to work this hunk of professional equipment his father left him.

So I tried -- put some film in it this weekend. Take some shots of your kid. Don't forget the dark slide (he looked puzzled at that) and so on and so forth -- I'm sitting there trying to give a 6-month lesson in professional photography to a guy who hopes to use this beast of a camera this coming Tuesday at some locations he's already scouted out.

And I hate to make it sound as if I am making fun -- the guy seemed genuinely interested and wants to learn. I told him to come in with his gear on a day I or a friend who used to own a camera store in LA are in and we'd be happy to go over it with him.

But it's not unusual these days to find people who have had no experience with film -- this guy, I guess, didn't pay attention to what his dad was doing, but he's hardly unique. A decade ago the newspaper I worked at here had a really brilliant photographer, wins awards, who had no clue how to work a Holga because she had never, ever, shot with film.

I gave the guy some recommended exposure settings for 400 film -- daylight and cloudy -- and urged him to practice over the weekend. I hope he makes out ok.
 

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yeah he will catch on sooner or later. my first time with an rb i took 10 pictures in one frame... never advanced tge film!

another time i had all blanks.

yeah he will learn or give up.
 

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... my first time with an rb i took 10 pictures in one frame... never advanced tge film!
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Interlocks on the later Pro S and Pro SD will prevent that unless specifically overridden.

Outstanding job helping him in the limited time available. With luck, maybe he will find some YouTube videos on basic principles of exposure and usage of the RB.
 
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Interlocks on the later Pro S and Pro SD will prevent that unless specifically overridden.

Outstanding job helping him in the limited time available. With luck, maybe he will find some YouTube videos on basic principles of exposure and usage of the RB.


but have the back set for multi exp n hes skunked!

interlocks... mmmm yeah another hurdle when you have no idea whats going on. the damn camera doesnt want to fire for some stupid reason! hahahaha seen alot of repair business from that.

he'll learn.
 

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And I hate to make it sound as if I am making fun

The same here. I read a post the other day on a other site and some guy had took a 120 roll of film and messed up the loading of (his first experience of film) the 120 roll,he took the film and paper apart and then it took him an hour to put the two back together and then he thought he could still use it in his camera .
Sad thing for me was the realization that people can be using Digital cameras but know nothing about photography.:surprised:
 

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My father in law is Al Paterson- He had an amazing collection of Steam Engine Locomotives, the bulk he shot the others he collected.
Al worked for Bell telephone and his turf was between St Catherine's Ontario and Toronto. He had a great opportunity to climb the telephone poles that ran along the tracks and by chance he happened to
have his camera with him and he was completely aware of the scheduales.
He used a 3 x 4 inch camera for most of his work, and my wife would work downstairs in the darkroom with him and go to all his trade shows ( train geek events) . She was very young when she started
and has turned into a very accomplished photographer in her own right and printer.. I think this is what keeps her and I happy.
 

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He needs to take written notes when you give him instruction.

There are PDF's of the original instructions online for RB and RZ models which he can refer to. Pictures in the instructions of how to load film holders would be really beneficial to him.

Practice at home like you told him is always good advice.
 

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Sad thing for me was the realization that people can be using Digital cameras but know nothing about photography.:surprised:

I know. People can drive moderns trucks, even be professionals, and have no clue how to start a stock Model T without being told... Damn youngins know nothing about driving!

And I really don't get why younger people don't take an interest in all the cool old stuff when I keep suggesting they're stupid and know nothing. Lazy good for nothings can't put up with being insulted every time they turn around. :tongue:


But seriously. Mechanical things aren't for everyone. Helping people and talking to them about things tends to do far more good for the world than suggesting they know nothing about an entire subject simply because they aren't familiar with a narrow part of it. So it is good to see people trying to be helpful while also staying respectful and supportive.
 

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I know. People can drive moderns trucks, even be professionals, and have no clue how to start a stock Model T without being told... Damn youngins know nothing about driving!

They say that today the best thing you can have to protect your car from being stolen is a manual transmission. Young car thieves have no idea how to drive them.
 

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They say that today the best thing you can have to protect your car from being stolen is a manual transmission. Young car thieves have no idea how to drive them.
not in nyc... every punk wants stick these days.
 

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not in nyc... every punk wants stick these days.

That's interesting.

There were some punks at the local mall's parking garage stealing cars. They broke into one car but left it because it was a stick. There was another instance here where a punk tried to car jack a young lady but couldn't drive the car because of the manual transmission so he fled the scene on foot.
 

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They say that today the best thing you can have to protect your car from being stolen is a manual transmission. Young car thieves have no idea how to drive them.

not in nyc... every punk wants stick these days.

I saw a TV episode of Jay Leno preparing one of his steam cars for a drive. I like that level of detail and preparation required - it's sort of like large format photography.
 

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Yeah, but I don't see the RB 67 as the ideal "starter" camera.

Of course not, but it's his Dad's camera and if that is what makes him get into photography then it's the perfect starter camera.

I think it's very cool u helping him out.
 

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I mostly shoot trains at night. For the past ten years I've used a Nikon DSLR 99% of the time, but I'm beginning to use my Chamonix 4x5 as well, with lenses Nikon 90mm f4.5 and Rodenstock 135mm f5.6. My film choice is HP5, usually shot at ISO 400. (I have ~10,000ws of flash power. :smile: )

Impressive photos! Are you warning those train drivers in advance, that they will have sudden encounters with nuclear powered flash devices in the darkness of night?
 

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I hope the OP directed the guy to APUG.
 

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I saw a TV episode of Jay Leno preparing one of his steam cars for a drive. I like that level of detail and preparation required - it's sort of like large format photography.

Honestly that is the kind of thing I would totally get into for a Sunday Drive kind of vehicle if I had the resources to put into it.

They say that today the best thing you can have to protect your car from being stolen is a manual transmission. Young car thieves have no idea how to drive them.

Eh, 'they' say a lot of things. Data tends to be a bit conflicting on that one, and trends vary by region. Manual transmissions are considers a prime target in some regions due to car theft trends being driven by gear-head joyriders. Why do stupid things with YOUR car when you can steal someone else's and trash the transmission?
 
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Of course not, but it's his Dad's camera and if that is what makes him get into photography then it's the perfect starter camera.

I think it's very cool u helping him out.


Thanks yeah -- I'm always happy to spread the disease of film photography. Trains bring them out of the woodwork.
 
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