SLIMT and Why You Should Be Using It

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SLIMT, short for Selective Latent Image Manipulation Techniques, is a technique for pre-bleaching of exposed, but undeveloped, prints and negatives in order to control shadow and highlight contrast in a largely beneficial direction without adversely affecting overall micro-contrast. For prints, one generally manipulates shadow contrast and for negatives one generally manipulates highly contrast.

Originally inspired by Sterry, David Kachel originated and refined this technique to something much more consistent and beneficial to both film and paper. The original articles should absolutely be read as David really knows his stuff and most importantly thinks outside the box:

http://www.davidkachel.com/historical/nw_strry.htm
http://www.davidkachel.com/historical/cont_pt3.htm
http://www.davidkachel.com/history.html

The basic approach for prints:

1. Mix a 10% solution of Potassium Ferricyanide by dissolving 100g of it in 900ml of water (1ml of water == 1g of water) to create a stock solution which will last a very long time (over 100 printing sessions).

2. This stock solution is then diluted further into a working stock solution by diluting 10ml of stock with 990ml of water. This 1L of working stock will be used throughout an entire printing session and then dumped at the end.

3. To create the actual bleaching solution used for a single print, one mixes between 10-100ml of working stock with 900-990ml of water to arrive at 1L. In my case I simply added 5ml of working stock to 500ml of water in an 8x10 tray by using a teaspoon.

4. After exposing the print, one completely immerses the print in the bleaching tray, and bleaches for 1-3 minutes just as they were normally bleaching an entire print. Remove the print from the tray and transfer directly to developer (pot-ferri bleach [especially at this incredibly low dilution] cannot survive in alkaline environments and will *not* harm your developer). This single-use bleach bath is dumped and remixed after normal processing of the print. There is no need to do anything special with the developer.

If one feels they have a print which could benefit from SLIMT, the recommended approach is to expose and bleach with a simple 5ml/500ml mix for around 1 minute and see how it looks compared to the unbleached print. You can then up the concentration on the next tray mix or just bleach for longer. In my case I found 5ml and 1-2 minutes to be ideal for the particular print I was testing with. A test strip wouldn't hurt to see if one could benefit from altering the exposure as well.

The negative I used for testing was a naturally contrasty sun-lit frame shot on Fujifilm Neopan 400PR (generally a contrasty film) developed in Rodinal 1+25, and then printed on Emaks K-888 #4 paper developed in Selectol 1+1 for 3 minutes. I wanted to align as many things in the "wrong" direction of too much contrast to see how SLIMT would benefit this pathological combination of materials. Normally I would never print this negative on #4 and reach right for #2 just by looking at the negative as it was dense, contrasty, and full of hot highlights from direct sun. However, it's still a typical negative that doesn't print straight out of the box.

These are straight scans of 3 different 8x10 prints using an Epson V700. The straight normally processed print is on the left in both cases. No selenium or other stunts were used - just SLIMT for comparison and traditional bleaching for another comparison. Obviously there are many different ways to handle this print, but the point of this is to focus on SLIMT and not exploring every way to skin this cat. I wouldn't normally print this frame on #4, but as mentioned previously there's a reason I chose it.


Straight vs Post-bleaching (5ml of 10% stock/500ml, until shadows opened slightly/brightness punch):




Straight vs SLIMT (5ml/500ml, 2 min):




It's painfully obvious that this technique works effectively and doesn't carry the drawbacks of lost micro-contrast from pre-flashing or manipulating development dilution/water-baths, etc. (I still recommend considering those techniques as additional tools to have). The straight print is far too contrasty and highlights are difficult to balance without printing more open and burning in or sacrificing the shadows and printing down (which is unacceptable for this type of photograph). Actual hassle is fairly low as mixing the tray mix for each print that needs it takes around 15 seconds (Use a 5ml tsp and mix into 500ml of water in a tray).

The amount of options afforded to the printer through use of grade choice combined with SLIMT is great. There is no reason one cannot use #2, #3, or even VC grades to arrive where they want to through educated trial and error (which is how most people print in the first place). One can print the shadows down and then use the SLIMT bleach bath to open the shadows back up while leaving the upper-mids/highlights unaffected and properly exposed but retaining high contrast. This is also somewhat possible with post-bleaching but I feel SLIMT offers much more latitude and affects things differently - but there is also no reason the two techniques cannot be combined.

There are previous references to SLIMT on APUG, including one major (there was a url link here which no longer exists) related to it started by David himself. Sadly he was railroaded out of that thread by our own members and not given the respect he so rightfully deserved.

Should you be using this technique? Absolutely. You'd be out of your mind not to try it.
 
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I first used the Sterry process in the early 1970's using Dichromate & Ferricyanide and yes it works, but so do other development controls so in genera terms it's not a technique most people would ever need to use.

However having said that it can get you out of a hole when the only fixed grade paper you have is a couple of grades too hard.

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Ian, technically this is not exactly the same as the Sterry process - which used Potassium Dichromate. In David's article he goes into significant detail as to why this is/was a bad choice of bleach - so SLIMT is different enough from Sterry to be it's own thing and offers little of the disadvantages of the original Sterry method. They're obviously cross-related, but that's about it.

That being said it's incredibly common to run against negs that don't print without hassle regardless of either VC or graded papers. This is a technique that can be used to help handle shadow contrast effectively when up against difficult negs or scenes - or even as a general use pre-dev bath to manipulate shadows on non-problem negs. It's not necessarily a bail-out tool.

If you're shooting sheet film and micro-analyzing every shot to perfect match with a specific paper type perhaps this isn't for you - but for the vast majority of photographers who have a large repertoire of sub-standard negs and choices at hand it can be quite useful.

In my line of photography one doesn't normally have the option of even using the Zone system or other techniques to minimize error. We simple shoot frame to frame and sort the neg issues out later.

I described how it is actually quite easy it is to use, how more people can benefit from it, and how it does have different benefits over playing with developer dilution and the such. One can't even come close to SLIMT by manipulating developer unless you're extremely patient.

SLIMT works - and it works very effectively. The proof is in the pudding. Look at the prints.
 
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Very Interesting. I'll certainly read through it well when I get a chance!
 

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Interesting technique. If I ever find myself needing it, I might give it a try.

I have not heard of the order of solutions as "stock," "working stock," and then "actual," as you describe them. "Working stock" and "actual" being used this way in particular throw me for a loop. If you are not using it as the "actual" solution, then it is not the "working" solution. "Actual" and "working" mean the same thing. Would it not be "concentrated," "stock," and then "working" solutions?

Also, why the three concentrations? Why not just go straight to the stock solution by mixing 1 g of ferricyanide with 999 g of water?

FWIW, the SLIMT print looks too light and washed out to me. Are pure blacks always sacrificed so heavily with this technique, and are the high tones always so glaring?

Also FWIW, I would not have shot that shot in that lighting and then expected to be able to get a print without heavy manipulation.

So, I must agree that, based on the examples posted, it seems like a bailout from self-induced tricky negatives that is not without its disadvantages. This is far from "should be using it." How about not shooting a group portrait in which some of the people are in light that is four to five stops different than some other people? How about improving ones general printing skills? I'd rather work on both of these things than constantly lean on extreme and compromising techniques in printing in order to salvage my pictures...and have three more bottles in my cabinet, several more trays in my darkroom, and several more minutes added to my process.
 
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SLIMT works - and it works very effectively. The proof is in the pudding. Look at the prints.

Yes it works, but it's not a miracle cure, changing paper grade works just as effectively and is more practical, then relatively small changes can be made with development control.

The effects of Ferricyanide and Dichromate on paper contrast were known in the 1920's if not earlier, this came from attempts to salvage fogged papers.

As I said I'd used both the original Sterry process and Ferricyanide before I'd even heard it called SLIMT, and while they work effectively they really aren't needed at all unless you don't have the right grade of paper and need a very significant drop in contrast. This is the reason why extremely few people use the technique.

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I think MurrayMinchin is one person on APUG who uses SLIMT. He shoots a lot in the forested areas on the north coast of British Columbia, and as a result I expect he has to deal with deep shadows and brilliant highlights in many of his images. He hasn't been posting too much recently on APUG (I think he is busy with the concerns about the proposed pipeline through Kitimat) but I wouldn't be surprised if he would be willing to share his perspective as well.
 
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It's mainly due to the extremely low dilutions used for the bleach bath and the need to balance lifetime of solution against strength of solution. In addition precision becomes another matter.

Also, why the three concentrations? Why not just go straight to the stock solution by mixing 1 g of ferricyanide with 999 g of water?

You could do this - provided you can be very precise. I'd wager to say it's easier to be precise with diluting a 100g mix to something smaller, but yes technically you transfer the need for precision to the 2nd or 3rd mix at that point. It's also convenient to keep the 10% solution around which is easy to make the intermediate mixes from but has a very long lifetime. The reason the working bath is needed when one is going from a 10% stock is that you'd have to measure 0.01ml per 1000ml of water to go from stock->tray bath. Not exactly easy. However, since the variances in precision are easy to work around just by initial test time/dilution it's better to grab 5-10ml from the working stock and blend with 500-1000ml of tray water. One will figure out pretty quick what they'll need even if they 10ml they pulled from the stock bath (to make the working) was a little off.

In practice the stock bath is a one-time thing that you dilute from at the beginning of each session and put away. Keep the working in a 1L pyrex glass and then just pull a tsp from it and mix in a tray with 500ml of water for each print to be bleached. Dump and repeat for each print needing it. You'll only ever have 1 solution out that's not in a tray. The final one-shot mix is always in the tray.

FWIW, the SLIMT print looks too light and washed out to me. Are pure blacks always sacrificed so heavily with this technique, and are the high tones always so glaring?

No. #4 and exposure is setting the high tone contrast and overall level. As I previously mentioned I didn't go nuts trying to achieve a perfect print - just enough to demonstrate where SLIMT can take a complete over-contrast situation to.

Here's a 5ml/500ml SLIMT bath with 1min duration as opposed to 2min (which was shown above):



No Selenium toning has been done in any of these - and that would definitely help solidify shadows in a beneficial direction. The above print I feel to be pretty acceptable for something that added 1-2 mins of additional time to the process without *any* local dodging/burning/split-grading/etc. - also considering the disadvantageous neg/scene/paper grade.


It doesn't have many disadvantages is what I'm saying. The example I'm pointing out is a pathological combination of wrong negative for the wrong grade of paper combined with wrong film type for the light at hand. See what I'm saying? That print is a guaranteed fight and SLIMT takes less time to get an acceptable print as opposed to heavy locals / screwing around of other nature. It also allows one to use contrast grade to determine upper-mid/highlight contrast and a bleach bath to decrease shadow contrast to bring the details back out. Even with split-grading this would be a global pain in the ass to do.

How about not shooting a group portrait in which some of the people are in light that is four to five stops different than some other people? How about improving ones general printing skills?

Say what? Post some of your own stuff before you start calling me out, partner. The final print *is* acceptable enough without local modifications involved. Asking me to "improve my printing skills" for a test demonstrating a particularly hard combo is below the belt and particularly weak coming from someone who talks large but shows little. It's a random negative from a shot of friends, dude. It's not a group-portrait job where I can set the time/place and have a conversation with the Sun beforehand.


Apparently you didn't read the original post nor the articles. You mix one stock solution and that's all that is kept. You use any old tray lying around. Are you telling me you have 4 trays in the darkroom period and can't be bothered to use an additional tray (any tray) for this? Ridiculous. As I said, additional time is 1-2 minutes depending on how much you want to bleach. If you can't be bothered printing all of those "hard negatives," because they're below your standards, then don't.

Funny thread - goes down the exact same road as the other Kachel thread went. If you choose to not use the technique and call it BS, then it's completely your loss - not mine. Pot-Ferri isn't going anywhere and it's a very useful tool in the darkroom for both this purpose and traditional bleaching use. A particular favorite of Eugene Smith.
 
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Yes it works, but it's not a miracle cure, changing paper grade works just as effectively and is more practical, then relatively small changes can be made with development control.

No it doesn't. Stop poo-pooing this Ian. Did you read the articles? How is changing paper grade going to preserve highlight contrast that *changes with grade*? It doesn't. Once you change grades (even with VC) to get yourself out of black-tar shadows, SLIMT or not, you affect highlight contrast. The second you mention split-grade burning in, etc. I'm going to ask you to burn in every problem area of that print.

There's no reason to be xenophobic about this technique. It's works. It should be used as any other tool.


Don't use it then.
 

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Thank you for great examples. This seems especially handy when you don't have the proper paper grade available. It should be mentioned that this works also with color and is especially good since there are no lower-grade color papers left anymore. I haven't tried it yet but your example gave me inspiration to try it as soon as possible with RA-4 color printing.

It definitely is a different thing when you control overall contrast or just shadow contrast. You could prove this by exposing greyscales and plotting curves, but why bother. That won't affect 2F/2F's attitude a bit .

I agree that printing skills are good thing to have. To be able to use many different techniques, like latent image bleaching, is part of good printing skills.
 

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Dear Clayne;
I agree with you 100% and am saddened that this tool and it's advocate, David Kachel, have been so vilified by certain members of this forum. I personally contacted David and apologized for the treatment he received here and thanked him for all the research and work he has done to make this very useful tool available to the knowledge and information archive available to members of this forum.
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Denise, I think part of the problem in this post is the example photographs used.

I have read David Kachel's excellent articles and having used both the Sterry process and SLIMPT myself understand first hand how they work, but I personally haven't found an occasion where SLIMPT would be a better alternative to other techniques I use.

As David Kachel says the process is a more useful tool with fixed grade papers, there are techniques like split garde printing which are more powerful tools with VC papers.
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So Clayne I think you're muddy the water by using a deliberately poor print in comparison to the SLIPT treated versions. In doing so you do David Kachel's work a disservice.

The only valid & relevant comparison is the best possible print exposed & processed normally, with optimum choice of paper grade compared to a similar print made using the SLIMPT step.

At the moment it's appearing to be a magic bullet, which it isn't, and David Kachel himself makes no claims like that either.

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You have got to be kidding me, Ian. I chose a situation where SLIMT would have to *work* to show a difference. Why would I choose a great negative for this if I wasn't going to be using SLIMT with it? SLIMT is just for types of situations like this: controlling bottom-end contrast while leaving upper contrast alone. You can't even do it with split-grade printing unless you do heavy local work with different filters. I can't show you a split-graded approach on graded #4 paper - duh. Remember too some people here still print on graded paper as a regular thing. Accept the aspect that VC isn't the universal answer for some people. I specifically did not choose a #2 paper because it wouldn't benefit the difference of SLIMTs advantage as much as a #4 would. It's definitely not a magic bullet for every print because not every print needs SLIMT to alter contrast in a particular way. Why are you being so difficult about this?

I've done actual testing and posted actual results. All I have to do is reference the previous Kachel thread to point out how these SLIMT threads always seem to go. It may not be from the book of Ansel, but it's a highly viable and beneficial technique when it can be put to constructive use. It's also easier than going crazy with split-grade printing, not to mention that it provides global contrast manipulation that isn't otherwise easily possible. Split-grade printing, with dodging and burning, is good for local manipulation. It will not, and cannot pull down the bottom end contrast globally across the print while leaving the rest of the upper tone contrast alone - unless you burn in every single area of upper tone contrast. That isn't easier.

If you want to be a critic or you have problems with the example prints - do your own tests and post your own prints in response. It won't change the fact that I'll still use the technique as will others.
 

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Clayne, why not include the best, straight print you could make on G2 paper in the comparison? That would reveal the difference by providing a point of reference, wouldn't it?
 

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Thanks for educating many of us clayne! I had read about Mr. Katchel's very original work previously. It was interesting to see such interesting examples of what might be accomplished using Mr. Katchel's SLIMT methods.

I wonder if you might have been able to print your negative as successfully on Azo types of paper using amidol and water bath to cut the contrast? As you probably know, Azo type papers are capable of "holding" a very "long range" of highlights without blocking up, and water batch development is a convenient way of lowering contrast. Simply wondering.

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Just print the negative on MG paper and lets see the difference.

There already was a long thread on this process. What has changed?
 

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Clayne, why not include the best, straight print you could make on G2 paper in the comparison? That would reveal the difference by providing a point of reference, wouldn't it?

I think that your suggestion is key to establishing the benefits of SLIMT. I enjoyed the OP's article and I have to say that while they may be other better or equally good ways to achieve what SLIMT does, SLIMT as demonstrated by the OP looks like an easier K.I.S.S. approach.

The last example using 1 min looked pretty good to me. It has reminded me that I have just such a negative which I was never able to get a good print from even with VC paper.

This has encouraged me to give SLIMT a try. I appreciate the time and effort that the OP has taken to write the article, show the examples and engage in open debate on the subject.

Incidentally it gets more than a passing mention in Tim Rudman's printing book. I take the fact that Tim devotes time and effort to describe and demonstrate its benefits to be an endorsement of its use.


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Yes, SLIMT works quite well. Kachel's work 25 years ago was extremely important. In Post Internet Society, though,
it is part of the Photo Wisdom simply lost in the Echo Chamber.

HOWEVER, the FOUNDATION of SLIMT is the maintenance of local contrast.

Another way to achieve that is through the use of agitation as a contrast control. With a film like FP4 or TMY2,
using minimal agitation satisfies the need of local contrast in a very different way than SLIMT.

A simple competence in both techniques, however, eliminates many problems we typically face.

Thanks, CLAYNE, for reminding us of David's contributions.

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Thanks Clayne, by bringing up David's interesting and valuable work up again, I've read his articles long ago..I guess I am missing something, but wouldn't the bleach attack the highlights/ mid tones first, and than the shadows, were the most silver is..

I seem to understand from your description that you actually lighten up the shadows, or do you over expose your print first?

I must be missing something, enlighten me please..;-)..

Best,

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It was very nice to see such clear examples, clayne. It's nice (if not vital) to have an alternative to split grade. Not all of the papers that I like are available in multigrade form, and one also doesn't know how much longer the few we do have will be available. It is so important for us to keep these techniques alive. All of these techniques.

Does SLIMT affect grain?

P.S. Certainly David Kachel's work is/was very important and I have enjoyed what I have read of it. Regarding the reception he got at APUG some months ago, I don't recall it being related to SLIMT. I think it was about format size or something like that which tends to cause certain father to ruffle. It's really too bad that nuanceless internet-speak leads to so many unnecessary squabbles.
 

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. Once you change grades (even with VC) to get yourself out of black-tar shadows, SLIMT or not, you affect highlight contrast. The second you mention split-grade burning in, etc. I'm going to ask you to burn in every problem area of that print.

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Whoa, you brought this up. Lets see the curves that show that!!!
 
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I don't have a lot of time right now as I'm at work - but I'd like everyone to remember that the contrast of graded papers is not the same as VC papers. Graded #4 is not the same as breaking out a number 4 filter (or equiv magenta) with VC paper. Midtone contrast of VC paper has a noticeably different response compared to graded - as graded papers usually feature true mid-tone separation that varies with grade. VC papers typically show contrast changes in the lows and highs before the mids.

So in general I was bringing this technique up as a way to alter shadow contrast independently of upper-mid/highlight contrast which is set by the grade of paper. And since graded papers generally offer different (and debatably superior) separation throughout the tonal scale, compared to VC, SLIMT coupled with graded paper can be a great combination for general work.

I know everyone is all hopped up on VC/split-grade printing but graded papers aren't toilet paper by any means. SLIMT allows you a significant tool when working with them, and is still applicable to VC anyways.

Remember, shadow contrast controlled globally independently of highlight contrast (which is set by the paper, or with VC set by the filters [although really it's still set by the paper]).
 

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How It Works


It is our Fortune that ferricyanide does not work that way
when bleaching a latent image. Actually the areas most
affected by the bleach are those areas most exposed.
David in his lengthy article goes into detail.

The EFFECT is this: The negative's areas of least density
EXHIBIT an INCREASE IN DENSITY. Additional exposure of
the print is needed. The additional exposure allows for an
increase in highlight and mid-tone densities. The ES of
the negative has effectively under gone a contraction.

The effect is global. For many negatives dodging and
burning is eliminated.

Interested? Search at www.unblinkingeye.com
for the article, latent image bleaching . Dan
 

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I don't understand the negativity in this thread. Thanks for posting a reminder of a useful tool in the darkroom. SLIMT may not be everybody's cup of tea, but it works. There are many different roads you can take to arrive at your destination. I do things in the darkroom that people might scoff at, but they work for me and that is all that matters. I think people should congratulate the OP for taking time out of his day to start this thread instead of telling him how wrong he is.
 
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