shutter CLA needed Kodak Flash Supermatic

Jon Shiu · Feb 19, 2012

Yes, the rear cell screws out. Perhaps just use a rubber band around it and your fingers to loosen.

Jon

snederhiser · Feb 20, 2012

Hello Jeff;
The rear lens cell screws out, counter clockwise. Use a rubber washer cutout from stock or perhaps one from the hardware store. Be carefull of the rear element, some stick up. Good luck, Steven.

Neanderman · Feb 20, 2012

mopar_guy said:
The Naptha flush is not a recommended service practice from the service manual.

So what is recommended?

Ed

Ian Grant · Feb 20, 2012

mopar_guy said:
"Shutter runs dry" --Wrong
"Oil" --Wrong

According to the Kodak Service manual there are several surfaces that take a light grease. In my opinion, it is best to disassemble the shutter, clean all the parts and re-assemble with grease at the correct points. The Naptha flush is not a recommended service practice from the service manual.

I tend to just place a few drops of IPA on the aperture blades and shutter blades rather than drench the shutter and flush all lubrication out, and that works very well in the majority of cases. I've shutters cleaned that way still working smoothly and accurately 10 to 15 years later.

Ian

jstout · Feb 20, 2012

rear element

Things are going well. I will probably send to Paul Ebel (haven't contacted yet).

Rear element, however, is tight. Attached is a photo with parts labeled. The casing is one-piece. "Ring A" is apparently the part that must be turned counter-clockwise. I am attempting to turn by carefully pressing a socket that matches Ring A in dimensions against a piece of thin, sticky rubber elastic layed over the ring. There is good grip, but then the elastic gives and doubles up. Hope I'm not trying to turn the wrong thing. Believe me, I'm very cautious, careful and deliberate, just to dissuade the anguish of anyone looking at this and thinking, "Man, I can't believe he's doing this!"

I will apply another drop of penetrating oil to the gap outside Ring A, wait, and gently try again.

So, although I could easily send it out for repair, which I will probably do anyway, there is interest in this subject and I'm elaborating to show the problem with the rear element for anyone reading this thread with similar issues. Anyway, I want to clean the glass. Someone might come across this discussion and want to be clear on the parts, so hopefully this diagram will clear that up. This lens has been sitting in a case, patiently waiting for me, for 55 years. If it's a little crotchety, I can understand.

jstout · Feb 20, 2012

Ring B

Also, it's possible I should be turning "Ring B", but it's down in there, hard to access, and I haven't tried that yet. I'd have to make a special tool (and be careful).

snederhiser · Feb 20, 2012

Hello Jeff;
First I would remove the shutter from the lens board. Grip the flange on the lens board and turn in a counter clockwise motion. A lens spanner may be needed to perform this operation. The flange maybe tight fitting and locking in the rear element. Have worked on many and have come apart unless Godzilla happened to put this one together. Do not remove the inner retainer (b). Good luck, Steven.

mopar_guy · Feb 21, 2012

Neanderman said:
So what is recommended?

Ed

Dis-assemble, clean and dry all parts, and re-assemble with Lubricant at the appropriate contact surfaces.

BrianShaw · Feb 21, 2012

mopar_guy said:
Dis-assemble, clean and dry all parts, and re-assemble with Lubricant at the appropriate contact surfaces.

Aye

jstout · Mar 2, 2012

sent out

The shutter is now in the professional hands of Paul Ebel. After sitting for 55 years, I figured it was best to get it overhauled. I've decided to in the future get this done every 50 years or so anyway, whether it needs it or not.

Neanderman · Mar 2, 2012

mopar_guy said:
...clean...

Sure, but with what!?

Ed

mopar_guy · Mar 2, 2012

Neanderman said:
Sure, but with what!?

Ed

Check this out:

http://www.graflex.org/helpboard/viewtopic.php?t=5059

E. von Hoegh · Mar 3, 2012

Neanderman said:
Sure, but with what!?

Ed

An ultrasonic cleaner, there are many solvents that are suitable, from water based with ammonia and soft soap to the toxic ones like MEK and others. Slopping lighter fluid around in an assembled shutter isn't even a half-assed way to do it.

mopar_guy · Mar 3, 2012

Some older shutters have shutter blades or aperture blades, or flash contacts that can be harmed by petroleum based chemicals such as lighter fluid. Also, the "lighter fluid flush" will dissolve old lubricants and deposit them on other areas of the shutter making everything more prone to attract dirt.

E. von Hoegh · Mar 3, 2012

mopar_guy said:
Some older shutters have shutter blades or aperture blades, or flash contacts that can be harmed by petroleum based chemicals such as lighter fluid. Also, the "lighter fluid flush" will dissolve old lubricants and deposit them on other areas of the shutter making everything more prone to attract dirt.

Yep.

"good enough" isn't.

shutter CLA needed Kodak Flash Supermatic

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