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Note from @koraks: This thread was split off from this thread, with the starting quote below referring to this particular post. The discussion below occurred in the context of that thread up to post #39.

These were the last rolls of slide film I shot. Most likely forever.
Why on earth would that be?
If it's expense, it's often possible to find deals and freezer cleanouts.
Chrome/slide is incomparable. For colour I'd shoot nothing but, if I could.
 
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Why on earth would that be?

I don't project. Printing chromes would involve scanning them and printing digitally, and then I'd rather shoot digital to begin with. Chromes would just join the thousands I have already - tucked away in boxes, forever. So simply put: because I have no use for them.
 
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I don't project. Printing chromes would involve scanning them and printing digitally, and then I'd rather shoot digital to begin with. Chromes would just join the thousands I have already - tucked away in boxes, forever. So simply put: because I have no use for them.

Ok, so you are not scanning. That is just plain weird. :smile: You can’t print everything?
Projection is the ultimate way of enjoying film.
You need a good projector and a fast non zoom lens projection lens. Then you are golden.

General advice for people looking to get into projection: if you are showing someone else the slides, don’t make too much of a fuss about it.
Have the equipment ready not packed deep in some closet. Don’t insist on a totally blacked out room. Be real self critical when choosing the frames for a show and don’t insist in lingering on every photo for five minutes.
 
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Oh stop. I’m not talking you into anything and I’m not being rude in the slightest.
Merely trying to make sense of your very deliberate choice not to use slide and to not scan?
Especially since you got such great results.

Who knows, you might have a point I have not thought about or am not aware of.
Happens sometimes.

From my PoW slide is very easy to scan and has high micro contrast. As well as other advantages.
Scanning is a great way to use your film photos for other stuff than DR printing.
Scanning in various forms and processes that are similar has been around for a very long time.
 
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Calling other people's preferences 'weird' is rude. End of story. It precludes any productive exchange of views.

Followed by a smilie to clearly signify that it’s was in jest.
Of course it’s not literally weird.
It’s merely different and in the minority. Nothing wrong in that.
But I feel that is a given.
But OK. Guess I touched a nerve. Sorry about that.
 

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Alright, my apologies for doubting your best intentions.

As to the question why no more slides for me - as I said, a matter of preference and lack of need.

Sorry for taking this thread further off-topic btw, but since OP's trip is already behind us and he's back with his images, I suppose it doesn't matter anymore.

When it comes to photography, there are two things that I (currently) find interesting: the image itself, and the physical print as a means to communicate it.

For the image as such, slide film would evidently be a perfectly fine way to record it, next to a number of also perfectly fine alternatives.

For the print, I enjoy wet printing more so than inkjet printing. Wet printing works best with negatives, so slides don't have much meaning in that context.

Yes, I could scan and then inkjet print. It would make shooting slides acceptable since there's also the possibility to print. In fact, for many years, I used to have digital prints on my walls made from scanned slides. This was in a period when I shot lots of slides - digital was already there, but the price/performance ratio was horrible for a suffering student like myself, and the technical quality of digital was, well, far from what it is today. So back then, it made sense to me to shoot slides, which I did for a couple of years, exclusively.

Mind you, I come from a slide-shooting family, so to speak. Between approx. 1970 and 1989 my father shot slides exclusively. My sister and her then-husband shot slides exclusively between the mid-1980s and the late 1990s. I shot slides exclusively in the first half of the aughties. Combined, we have thousands and thousands of slides neatly tucked away. Or as in the case of my own slides, partly neatly, partly chaotically - but tucked away nonetheless.

So I'm no stranger to slides, neither am I to the joys of projecting them. Concerning those joys - I can sort of see myself sitting in a comfy chair in a darkened room, listening to the click-clack sound of the projector's transport and maybe some good music playing in the background, a nice drink in my hand...then again, I'm not that kind of guy - I don't have the patience to sit on my a$$ watching a static image on a projection screen. Not to mention having to dig up the damn thing from storage, set it up, suffer the bad temperament of that nice click-clack mechanism, deal with the unwieldy reflection screen and the life forms that probably call it home by now, and digging through endless boxes with trays full of slides. More power to those who truly enjoy this, let alone on a regular basis, but frankly, I just can't be bothered.

The most 'recent' slide show I did actually featured the series I took that example from earlier in this thread. Some close family members politely sat through the whole thing, seemed to mildly enjoy being taken back to the days of old (at least for a brief moment). And mostly the chattered about the places some of them recognized, enquired about the weather we had during our trip, how the AirB'n'B was, if we had eaten in that particular restaurant around the corner, how was our flight home again, isn't parking at the airport ridiculously expensive nowadays...etc. etc. I realized that a slide show is sort of nice, but if I'm brutally honest, it's a whole lot more practical, flexible and every bit as nice as handing aunt E a stack of prints, sit next to her and let her go through them at her own pace. So I resolved back then on that night in 20...16? that I wouldn't bother my family with any more slide shows.

Besides, that particular series was shot on Velvia 100, which I bought 'mildly expired' (no, really, it was maybe 1 year out of date) but with a visible magenta cast. Slide film prices were already on the rise back then, even though not quite as outrageously priced as today, and I lucked out on this fridge sale at a local camera store. I really did, in a way, because that color cast really is/was quite mild. So much for the 'fridge sale' thing btw, since slide film often doesn't age all that well; I've had Agfa RSX...something slow (50?) look just great, but I've also had other types of film look really...not so nice. And there's plenty of examples here on this forum of people asking "hey how come this slide film expired in 1867 only gives a faint magenta image; I read online that it should do just fine processed in the C41 developer I just bathed 28 expired rolls of Vericolor II and the neighbor's cat in - only 3 months ago". No, thanks.

Anyway, processing, since we're at it, was another story - since there were probably 8 people in the country shooting slide film with any regularity back then, processing lines weren't really what they had once been in the bustling 1990s. So when I got my slides back, some 3 or 4 weeks after handing them in at the lab, two or so of the rolls had cyan streaks of gunk running along the full length of the film. If you're wondering - these were developed at the FUJIFILM-run lab that processes the bulk of the color film shot around here (probably even today).

So I realized back then that shooting slide film requires either careful home processing, or a lively scene of slide film shooters that can keep a lab on its feet with sufficient throughput to maintain a stable and high quality level. Which just isn't the case anymore, today, so it would have to be home processing. And as you well know, home processing E6 is a bit of a different story than doing C41 or ECN2, where you actually have considerable leeway (even when wet printing) in mildly messing things up. Sure, within margins, but those margins are lax compared to the tightrope walking act required by E6.

Anyway, as I said before, I'm interested in the photograph itself - although I don't really consider myself to be particularly talented in this area, so much of my energies are spent (wasted?) on technical stuff. Fortunately, there's always printing, which is a very technical activity. And that happens to not really require slides, although a decent scan will also make a nice inkjet out of any decent slide. Scanning. I scanned pretty religiously for a while, but this was back in that period when 'digital photography' for me meant shooting slides and then scanning them. And then...well, they were digital files. I still have those files and they come in handy once in a blue moon for a technical illustration. Otherwise, they just sit there, waiting for inevitable data corruption or los. Oh yes, I could still shoot slides and suffer through the process of scanning film. I do this once in a while - but I try to minimize it, as the act of scanning, to me, is at about the same entertainment level as, say, cleaning the upstairs toilet. It's firmly beaten by ironing our clothes. That's an exhilarating, rewarding task by comparison. So much for scanning. It's a necessary evil, and it so happens that it's usually not very necessary, which cuts down the net evil factor. Good.

Back to this realization that slides don't help me in producing better prints. If I want to make a really good inkjet print, I start with a digital file (which, coincidentally, frees up time for ironing or scrubbing toilets.) If I want to make a print that I enjoy making, I need a negative, color or black and white, so if I'm stuck with slides at that stage, I actually have a non-starter. Not good. Projection? Well, it may be 'the best way to enjoy film', but the problem is that 'best' is kind of subjective, 'best' doesn't really help any if it's not being done, and 'enjoying film' for me happens either at the image-making stage (and my nose doesn't give a hoot whether it's pressed against a film back or a greasy LCD) or the printmaking stage. In fact, come to think about it, there's nothing in particular I 'enjoy' about film. I never tried eating it (there's some kind of jello involved, so maybe...?), so I guess I may just be missing out. But really, film is just an information carrier, and in the same way I don't 'enjoy a solid state harddrive', I don't enjoy film as such.

Where does this leave me? With the conclusion that shooting slides would cost me a lot of money, but it would not help me make better photographs, nor better prints. There's simply nothing to justify the (frankly, insane) prices of slide film today. What would I get in return for the premium I'd pay for slide film? Bragging rights? I've got an 8x10 for that. Heck, I've got two! If that doesn't give me trumps in a micturating competition, I might as well not join in. Which is actually exactly what I try to do anyway.

So the slides I've already got remain right where I last left them. The other day, I actually needed some slides to test a scanner for someone else and I had to go out to the shed, dig through a large pile of packing boxes to actually locate some slides. They happened to be from a bicycle ride I did with my parents (who were still in a responsible biking age back then) some two decades ago. The slides looked every bit as nice as the day I got them back from the lab - contrasty, with nicely saturated, realistic (well, sort of) colors. The photos themselves were ho-hum. Sentimental as I am, I don't have the heart to discard them. But in all honesty, it's no huge loss that they're never projected, and that they also happened to date from just before the time I got a decent film scanner and consequently, I have no digital scans of them.

It's 2023, and some things are just gone forever. "House parties", as we called them, are firmly stuck back in the early 1990s, anti-nuke protests live on forever in our memories of the 1980s, our first disillusionment with the phenomenon of 'the internet' was in the early 2000s and the 1970s and 1960s also harbored lots of cozy things that despite all their niceties, are convicted to remain stuck in those past decades. And for me, slide film lives in those same realms of years gone by.

So there's your answer. I think the original answer 'I have no use for them' covered it quite aptly, but in case you were wondering, here's the background to it.

PS: no, I'm not in the minority because I don't scan much of my film. The vast majority of people who dedicate a lot of time to photography don't scan film. They don't come anywhere near film. After all, why should they?

PPS: in case of any misunderstanding: :smile:
 
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Ok, so you are not scanning. That is just plain weird. :smile: You can’t print everything?
Projection is the ultimate way of enjoying film.
You need a good projector and a fast non zoom lens projection lens. Then you are golden.

General advice for people looking to get into projection: if you are showing someone else the slides, don’t make too much of a fuss about it.
Have the equipment ready not packed deep in some closet. Don’t insist on a totally blacked out room. Be real self critical when choosing the frames for a show and don’t insist in lingering on every photo for five minutes.

I've given up on projectors to display my chromes. I just scan them turning them into digital and creating slide shows for display on my 75" 4K smart TV with music, title, credits, etc. Keep the pictures at 3-4 seconds each to not bore anyone. Plus you can turn it on imediately. The show is on a memory card connected all the time to the USB port of the TV. There's no preparation to start it.. And your guests don't have a chance to feign a headache and leave early.
 
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Alright, my apologies for doubting your best intentions.

As to the question why no more slides for me - as I said, a matter of preference and lack of need.

Sorry for taking this thread further off-topic btw, but since OP's trip is already behind us and he's back with his images, I suppose it doesn't matter anymore.

When it comes to photography, there are two things that I (currently) find interesting: the image itself, and the physical print as a means to communicate it.

For the image as such, slide film would evidently be a perfectly fine way to record it, next to a number of also perfectly fine alternatives.

For the print, I enjoy wet printing more so than inkjet printing. Wet printing works best with negatives, so slides don't have much meaning in that context.

Yes, I could scan and then inkjet print. It would make shooting slides acceptable since there's also the possibility to print. In fact, for many years, I used to have digital prints on my walls made from scanned slides. This was in a period when I shot lots of slides - digital was already there, but the price/performance ratio was horrible for a suffering student like myself, and the technical quality of digital was, well, far from what it is today. So back then, it made sense to me to shoot slides, which I did for a couple of years, exclusively.

Mind you, I come from a slide-shooting family, so to speak. Between approx. 1970 and 1989 my father shot slides exclusively. My sister and her then-husband shot slides exclusively between the mid-1980s and the late 1990s. I shot slides exclusively in the first half of the aughties. Combined, we have thousands and thousands of slides neatly tucked away. Or as in the case of my own slides, partly neatly, partly chaotically - but tucked away nonetheless.

So I'm no stranger to slides, neither am I to the joys of projecting them. Concerning those joys - I can sort of see myself sitting in a comfy chair in a darkened room, listening to the click-clack sound of the projector's transport and maybe some good music playing in the background, a nice drink in my hand...then again, I'm not that kind of guy - I don't have the patience to sit on my a$$ watching a static image on a projection screen. Not to mention having to dig up the damn thing from storage, set it up, suffer the bad temperament of that nice click-clack mechanism, deal with the unwieldy reflection screen and the life forms that probably call it home by now, and digging through endless boxes with trays full of slides. More power to those who truly enjoy this, let alone on a regular basis, but frankly, I just can't be bothered.

The most 'recent' slide show I did actually featured the series I took that example from earlier in this thread. Some close family members politely sat through the whole thing, seemed to mildly enjoy being taken back to the days of old (at least for a brief moment). And mostly the chattered about the places some of them recognized, enquired about the weather we had during our trip, how the AirB'n'B was, if we had eaten in that particular restaurant around the corner, how was our flight home again, isn't parking at the airport ridiculously expensive nowadays...etc. etc. I realized that a slide show is sort of nice, but if I'm brutally honest, it's a whole lot more practical, flexible and every bit as nice as handing aunt E a stack of prints, sit next to her and let her go through them at her own pace. So I resolved back then on that night in 20...16? that I wouldn't bother my family with any more slide shows.

Besides, that particular series was shot on Velvia 100, which I bought 'mildly expired' (no, really, it was maybe 1 year out of date) but with a visible magenta cast. Slide film prices were already on the rise back then, even though not quite as outrageously priced as today, and I lucked out on this fridge sale at a local camera store. I really did, in a way, because that color cast really is/was quite mild. So much for the 'fridge sale' thing btw, since slide film often doesn't age all that well; I've had Agfa RSX...something slow (50?) look just great, but I've also had other types of film look really...not so nice. And there's plenty of examples here on this forum of people asking "hey how come this slide film expired in 1867 only gives a faint magenta image; I read online that it should do just fine processed in the C41 developer I just bathed 28 expired rolls of Vericolor II and the neighbor's cat in - only 3 months ago". No, thanks.

Anyway, processing, since we're at it, was another story - since there were probably 8 people in the country shooting slide film with any regularity back then, processing lines weren't really what they had once been in the bustling 1990s. So when I got my slides back, some 3 or 4 weeks after handing them in at the lab, two or so of the rolls had cyan streaks of gunk running along the full length of the film. If you're wondering - these were developed at the FUJIFILM-run lab that processes the bulk of the color film shot around here (probably even today).

So I realized back then that shooting slide film requires either careful home processing, or a lively scene of slide film shooters that can keep a lab on its feet with sufficient throughput to maintain a stable and high quality level. Which just isn't the case anymore, today, so it would have to be home processing. And as you well know, home processing E6 is a bit of a different story than doing C41 or ECN2, where you actually have considerable leeway (even when wet printing) in mildly messing things up. Sure, within margins, but those margins are lax compared to the tightrope walking act required by E6.

Anyway, as I said before, I'm interested in the photograph itself - although I don't really consider myself to be particularly talented in this area, so much of my energies are spent (wasted?) on technical stuff. Fortunately, there's always printing, which is a very technical activity. And that happens to not really require slides, although a decent scan will also make a nice inkjet out of any decent slide. Scanning. I scanned pretty religiously for a while, but this was back in that period when 'digital photography' for me meant shooting slides and then scanning them. And then...well, they were digital files. I still have those files and they come in handy once in a blue moon for a technical illustration. Otherwise, they just sit there, waiting for inevitable data corruption or los. Oh yes, I could still shoot slides and suffer through the process of scanning film. I do this once in a while - but I try to minimize it, as the act of scanning, to me, is at about the same entertainment level as, say, cleaning the upstairs toilet. It's firmly beaten by ironing our clothes. That's an exhilarating, rewarding task by comparison. So much for scanning. It's a necessary evil, and it so happens that it's usually not very necessary, which cuts down the net evil factor. Good.

Back to this realization that slides don't help me in producing better prints. If I want to make a really good inkjet print, I start with a digital file (which, coincidentally, frees up time for ironing or scrubbing toilets.) If I want to make a print that I enjoy making, I need a negative, color or black and white, so if I'm stuck with slides at that stage, I actually have a non-starter. Not good. Projection? Well, it may be 'the best way to enjoy film', but the problem is that 'best' is kind of subjective, 'best' doesn't really help any if it's not being done, and 'enjoying film' for me happens either at the image-making stage (and my nose doesn't give a hoot whether it's pressed against a film back or a greasy LCD) or the printmaking stage. In fact, come to think about it, there's nothing in particular I 'enjoy' about film. I never tried eating it (there's some kind of jello involved, so maybe...?), so I guess I may just be missing out. But really, film is just an information carrier, and in the same way I don't 'enjoy a solid state harddrive', I don't enjoy film as such.

Where does this leave me? With the conclusion that shooting slides would cost me a lot of money, but it would not help me make better photographs, nor better prints. There's simply nothing to justify the (frankly, insane) prices of slide film today. What would I get in return for the premium I'd pay for slide film? Bragging rights? I've got an 8x10 for that. Heck, I've got two! If that doesn't give me trumps in a micturating competition, I might as well not join in. Which is actually exactly what I try to do anyway.

So the slides I've already got remain right where I last left them. The other day, I actually needed some slides to test a scanner for someone else and I had to go out to the shed, dig through a large pile of packing boxes to actually locate some slides. They happened to be from a bicycle ride I did with my parents (who were still in a responsible biking age back then) some two decades ago. The slides looked every bit as nice as the day I got them back from the lab - contrasty, with nicely saturated, realistic (well, sort of) colors. The photos themselves were ho-hum. Sentimental as I am, I don't have the heart to discard them. But in all honesty, it's no huge loss that they're never projected, and that they also happened to date from just before the time I got a decent film scanner and consequently, I have no digital scans of them.

It's 2023, and some things are just gone forever. "House parties", as we called them, are firmly stuck back in the early 1990s, anti-nuke protests live on forever in our memories of the 1980s, our first disillusionment with the phenomenon of 'the internet' was in the early 2000s and the 1970s and 1960s also harbored lots of cozy things that despite all their niceties, are convicted to remain stuck in those past decades. And for me, slide film lives in those same realms of years gone by.

So there's your answer. I think the original answer 'I have no use for them' covered it quite aptly, but in case you were wondering, here's the background to it.

PS: no, I'm not in the minority because I don't scan much of my film. The vast majority of people who dedicate a lot of time to photography don't scan film. They don't come anywhere near film. After all, why should they?

PPS: in case of any misunderstanding: :smile:

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense.
Your thorough answer was not something I’d have readily inferred/unpacked from your previous post.
Essentially it seems it boils down to three points:

Temperament. How you want to enjoy your photos and how you want to reproduce them. Including the time display prep takes and the stuff you want to spend time on in general.

Access to decent development of slide. Not being able to develop slide other than at home can be a killer.

Cost of film. The price hike on slide is unfortunate. Slide has always been costly but it’s getting close to stupid. This including the higher price for development.

The following is not a counter nor an attempt at convincing you of anything.
It's perhaps mostly for uninitiated reading along at home, to not make slide seem hopeless.
It's far from.
In fact I'd say it's one of the greatest photo-technological achievements of all time and remains more valid and useable than ever for many.

Temperament: It could go both ways as you mention. Slide is both quicker and slower.
Many people have never seen a projected static image, or have forgotten how it looks.
There is always a tiny amount of flicker and restlessness with a digitally projected image.
The stability and resolution is truly shocking if you have never seen it. The difference os very evident if you compare side by side with a digital projector.
It does require a bright projector (fast lens and bright lamp) and a good lens and well shot slide to truly appreciate, but those are not that hard to come by if you don't buy the first thing you see.
Concerning the showing of the slides to others: It's not much different than showing them on your phone:
Keep the equipment ready, and make the show brief and cycle through it repeatedly while people are free to talk and not pay attention.
As said don't make a huge fuss about it. Just show it and be done. Can seem a bit anticlimactic but surprisingly often people want to go back and have a closer look after a bit of time.
WRT scanning see "cost".

Access: Not having access to E6 development is of course a clincher. Home development while possible, is something that puts a damper on things and requires pretty strict temperature control. It gets old fast too. Both the process and the chemistry, unless you have access to a big permanent space and the right equipment.
But, E6 dev. labs is not as rare as you'd think, if you have a real good look around.
It depends hugely on your part of the world of course. But my experience is that all larger cities has at least one lab that puts pride into doing E6 well.
There is the possibility of mailing your film in too. Freeze you exposed rolls until you have enough to warrant putting them all in an envelope.

Cost: Slide is more expensive, no two ways about it. But it is also cheaper in a number of ways. Outside of exotic processes, you will not be tempted to print it in the darkroom, which is a huge real savings. It is much easier to scan (time is the only real currency after all). Both WRT colour correction, but also when accounting for grain. Very little grain aliasing, no problem pulling up already good micro contrast. Only problem can be density with older/poor scanners.
A good camera scan with better than 1:1 macro and stitch will make a very big print with no visible artifacting.
Slide keeps quite well. Therefor it is not that risky buying long expired frozen or chilled slide. Or buying from a store at a discount where it is a few months over expiration. Provia is still the best overall slide film ever made and is, especially in 120 quite a good deal.
 
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I've given up on projectors to display my chromes. I just scan them turning them into digital and creating slide shows for display on my 75" 4K smart TV with music, title, credits, etc. Keep the pictures at 3-4 seconds each to not bore anyone. Plus you can turn it on imediately. The show is on a memory card connected all the time to the USB port of the TV. There's no preparation to start it.. And your guests don't have a chance to feign a headache and leave early.
That of course is a good approach too, especially if pulling the curtains is not an option and if you want to travel light.
You can just have it auto cycle through the show repeatedly.
 
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Temperament.

Well, if you want to call it that (and why not - it's as good a term as any, I suppose). In the end that's what it all boils down to. What you prefer doing, how you prefer to view images (and if, in the first place), what your price sensitivity is, etc.

But, E6 dev. labs is not as rare as you'd think, if you have a real good look around.

I don't think they are rare per se. I think the ones that offer the same consistent quality as back around 2000 are very rare.

It's not much different than showing them on your phone:

I can't take that comment seriously, I'm sorry. I don't carry a slide projector on my back whenever I go out. I don't keep it in the living room, nor does anyone else I know (not even back when we shot slides all the time). I can't hand the projector to my niece to have a quick peek at a single image and it doesn't make sense to set it all up for just that, but I can easily hand her my phone or even just send the photo to her so she can show her husband as well. There's so many levels at which the comparison doesn't make sense.

A projected slide is a marvelous thing, really. A slide held against the light is perhaps even more magical (but kind of small, unless you shoot 8x10). I really do understand the many ways in which shooting slides might be made tolerable, as long as the benefits are worth it. They're not, for me. If they were, I would have tried, trust me. Fact of the matter is that I was left with a stack of slide film a few years ago, some of which was gifted to me by someone else in a very similar position. I sold it off with a bunch of darkroom stuff when we were preparing to move to our current home. I've never regretted the sale, so apparently, I somehow grew out of slide film.
 
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Thanks. That makes a lot of sense.
Your thorough answer was not something I’d have readily inferred/unpacked from your previous post.
Essentially it seems it boils down to three points:

Temperament. How you want to enjoy your photos and how you want to reproduce them. Including the time display prep takes and the stuff you want to spend time on in general.

Access to decent development of slide. Not being able to develop slide other than at home can be a killer.

Cost of film. The price hike on slide is unfortunate. Slide has always been costly but it’s getting close to stupid. This including the higher price for development.

The following is not a counter nor an attempt at convincing you of anything.
It's perhaps mostly for uninitiated reading along at home, to not make slide seem hopeless.
It's far from.
In fact I'd say it's one of the greatest photo-technological achievements of all time and remains more valid and useable than ever for many.

Temperament: It could go both ways as you mention. Slide is both quicker and slower.
Many people have never seen a projected static image, or have forgotten how it looks.
There is always a tiny amount of flicker and restlessness with a digitally projected image.
The stability and resolution is truly shocking if you have never seen it. The difference os very evident if you compare side by side with a digital projector.
It does require a bright projector (fast lens and bright lamp) and a good lens and well shot slide to truly appreciate, but those are not that hard to come by if you don't buy the first thing you see.
Concerning the showing of the slides to others: It's not much different than showing them on your phone:
Keep the equipment ready, and make the show brief and cycle through it repeatedly while people are free to talk and not pay attention.
As said don't make a huge fuzz about it. Just show it and be done. Can seem a bit anticlimactic but surprisingly often people want to go back and have a closer look after a bit of time.
WRT scanning see "cost".

Access: Not having access to E6 development is of course a clincher. Home development while possible, is something that puts a damper on things and requires pretty strict temperature control. It gets old fast too. Both the process and the chemistry, unless you have access to a big permanent space and the right equipment.
But, E6 dev. labs is not as rare as you'd think, if you have a real good look around.
It depends hugely on your part of the world of course. But my experience is that all larger cities has at least one lab that puts pride into doing E6 well.
There is the possibility of mailing your film in too. Freeze you exposed rolls until you have enough to warrant putting them all in an envelope.

Cost: Slide is more expensive, no two ways about it. But it is also cheaper in a number of ways. Outside of exotic processes, you will not be tempted to print it in the darkroom, which is a huge real savings. It is much easier to scan (time is the only real currency after all). Both WRT colour correction, but also when accounting for grain. Very little grain aliasing, no problem pulling up already good micro contrast. Only problem can be density with older/poor scanners.
A good camera scan with better than 1:1 macro and stitch will make a very big print with no visible artifacting.
Slide keeps quite well. Therefor it is not that risky buying long expired frozen or chilled slide. Or buying from a store at a discount where it is a few months over expiration. Provia is still the best overall slide film ever made and is, especially in 120 quite a good deal.

I wouldn't freeze exposed rolls. I never do and mail them from New Jersey across the country to California for developing. You're chancing getting condensation on the emulsion. Also, there's really no more danger of expiring in the mail than when you leave it in your camera for a few days to take more shots.
 
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Well, if you want to call it that (and why not - it's as good a term as any, I suppose). In the end that's what it all boils down to. What you prefer doing, how you prefer to view images (and if, in the first place), what your price sensitivity is, etc.



I don't think they are rare per se. I think the ones that offer the same consistent quality as back around 2000 are very rare.



I can't take that comment seriously, I'm sorry. I don't carry a slide projector on my back whenever I go out. I don't keep it in the living room, nor does anyone else I know (not even back when we shot slides all the time). I can't hand the projector to my niece to have a quick peek at a single image and it doesn't make sense to set it all up for just that, but I can easily hand her my phone or even just send the photo to her so she can show her husband as well. There's so many levels at which the comparison doesn't make sense.

A projected slide is a marvelous thing, really. A slide held against the light is perhaps even more magical (but kind of small, unless you shoot 8x10). I really do understand the many ways in which shooting slides might be made tolerable, as long as the benefits are worth it. They're not, for me. If they were, I would have tried, trust me. Fact of the matter is that I was left with a stack of slide film a few years ago, some of which was gifted to me by someone else in a very similar position. I sold it off with a bunch of darkroom stuff when we were preparing to move to our current home. I've never regretted the sale, so apparently, I somehow grew out of slide film.

Scanned slides can be shown on a monitor or large 4K TV using FLickr or YouTube which is easy to set up and much better than looking with a little cellphone.
Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/alanklein2000/albums/72157625526207614

YouTube: (with music)
 

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Scanned slides can be shown on a monitor or large 4K TV using FLickr or YouTube

Yes, I'm aware of this.

For one thing, back in the 1990s, I was a fairly early adopter of TV-computer interfaces, exploring the possibilities of watching picture-in-picture television on a computer monitor. Mind you, this was far before the times where desktop PC's were capable of handling moving pictures of any meaningful quality or frame rate, so it was all hardware-driven and dedicated peripherals. Lots of A/D as well. And of course, vice versa: displaying computer content on regular TV's. In the early 2000s when I was studying, my cheapskate form of entertainment consisted of downloading series (Fawlty Towers and Blackadder were favorites of mine) and movies and then watching them on the TV attached to my computer. For a tech-aware teenager and later twent-something, these possibilities were at first exhilarating, then entertaining and ultimately simply convenient.

Even then, I never bothered using the TV for slideshows, though. Or the computer monitor, for that matter. Evidently I was aware of the possibility then as much as I am now. I always had one of those fancy desktop backgrounds that would extend or duplicate to the TV. Yet, I never used it for slide shows, for simple lack of desire or need.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have much interest in slide shows to begin with. To the extent that I find them interesting, displaying them on a TV or computer monitor eliminates the few remaining aspects that appeal to me. What magic there is to me in a slide show is the notion that I'm watching the actual film image on the same little piece of acetate or polyester that recorded the actual light reflected or emitted from the pictured scene, in all its glory (as well as limitations).

Our Chromecast displays a slide show by default. Some of the photos on there are quite OK. Most of them are kind of gratuitous, but pleasantly colorful. This is what 'watching' a digital slide show entails, for me. It's a bit like those few minutes when I'm processing the documentary we've just watched while the Chromecast bombards us with inane prettiness.

Moreover, much like a slide projector, I never carry a 4K digital TV when I visit people. Somehow I seem to never forget my phone, though. In that sense, it's a convenient device. I also find it quite feasible to carry a small folder with prints with me on the very few occasions it makes sense to do so. It saves me the trouble to ask people if they happen to have a computer or TV in a convenient place to plug a USB drive into; I can just pull out a print and it'll be ready to watch even without turning it on. It's quite convenient if you think about it.

Feel free to keep posting your example as you've done so many times before, but in case I don't respond with much enthusiasm, you can always refer back to this post for an explanation why I find TV-displayed slideshows the insufferable and tacky alternative to the real thing. I'm sorry, but in all its honesty, that's how I feel about it.

PS: I'm surprised how subdued the colors on your Ektachromes are. The few times I shot that film, it had significantly more punch to it. Not as much by far as any of the Velvias, but a lot more than this.
 
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Yes, I'm aware of this.

For one thing, back in the 1990s, I was a fairly early adopter of TV-computer interfaces, exploring the possibilities of watching picture-in-picture television on a computer monitor. Mind you, this was far before the times where desktop PC's were capable of handling moving pictures of any meaningful quality or frame rate, so it was all hardware-driven and dedicated peripherals. Lots of A/D as well. And of course, vice versa: displaying computer content on regular TV's. In the early 2000s when I was studying, my cheapskate form of entertainment consisted of downloading series (Fawlty Towers and Blackadder were favorites of mine) and movies and then watching them on the TV attached to my computer. For a tech-aware teenager and later twent-something, these possibilities were at first exhilarating, then entertaining and ultimately simply convenient.

Even then, I never bothered using the TV for slideshows, though. Or the computer monitor, for that matter. Evidently I was aware of the possibility then as much as I am now. I always had one of those fancy desktop backgrounds that would extend or duplicate to the TV. Yet, I never used it for slide shows, for simple lack of desire or need.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have much interest in slide shows to begin with. To the extent that I find them interesting, displaying them on a TV or computer monitor eliminates the few remaining aspects that appeal to me. What magic there is to me in a slide show is the notion that I'm watching the actual film image on the same little piece of acetate or polyester that recorded the actual light reflected or emitted from the pictured scene, in all its glory (as well as limitations).

Our Chromecast displays a slide show by default. Some of the photos on there are quite OK. Most of them are kind of gratuitous, but pleasantly colorful. This is what 'watching' a digital slide show entails, for me. It's a bit like those few minutes when I'm processing the documentary we've just watched while the Chromecast bombards us with inane prettiness.

Moreover, much like a slide projector, I never carry a 4K digital TV when I visit people. Somehow I seem to never forget my phone, though. In that sense, it's a convenient device. I also find it quite feasible to carry a small folder with prints with me on the very few occasions it makes sense to do so. It saves me the trouble to ask people if they happen to have a computer or TV in a convenient place to plug a USB drive into; I can just pull out a print and it'll be ready to watch even without turning it on. It's quite convenient if you think about it.

Feel free to keep posting your example as you've done so many times before, but in case I don't respond with much enthusiasm, you can always refer back to this post for an explanation why I find TV-displayed slideshows the insufferable and tacky alternative to the real thing. I'm sorry, but in all its honesty, that's how I feel about it.

PS: I'm surprised how subdued the colors on your Ektachromes are. The few times I shot that film, it had significantly more punch to it. Not as much by far as any of the Velvias, but a lot more than this.

Of course, my YouTube or flashdrive slideshows have music in the background. I suppose you could hum a tune when you show your prints. :wink:
 

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I wouldn't freeze exposed rolls. I never do and mail them from New Jersey across the country to California for developing. You're chancing getting condensation on the emulsion. Also, there's really no more danger of expiring in the mail than when you leave it in your camera for a few days to take more shots.

I put the exposed rolls in ZipLok™ sealed bags and refrigerate them. Since I am in a dry climate I do not have a moisture problem, but if I did I would put one of those descant driers from a medicine bottle in the bag too.
 

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Of course, my YouTube or flashdrive slideshows have music in the background. I suppose you could hum a tune when you show your prints. :wink:

I used to play the violin and very occasionally still do, but since I lack the tendency towards exhibitionism that makes me present the same slideshow to the same audience a dozen times or more, I suppose the odds of me fiddling away while others are forced to watch my prints are fairly slim. I'll keep the possibility in mind, though, with an eye to the future. I hope it's still a long way off, but eventually, most of us succumb to a certain loss of decorum. At that point, I might be ready for this.
 

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The only thing worse than a slideshow is a slideshow with music.

Depends entirely on the quality of the music.
I tend toward piano based jazz instrumental, myself.
But not be-bop.
 

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We frequently have dinner with one of my former colleagues; often we out in restaurants, but sometimes it's his place, or ours. The first time my fiancee and I went over to his place for dinner, he had background music on...well, 'music'. The kind of noise that escapes a flatulent assembly of synthesizers on the comedown of a three-day amfetamine binge. Or so I imagine. It was hard enough to *think* with that horrible racket - let alone make conversation! Fortunately, my friend's culinary tastes are more compatible with ours, and the conversation is always lively and amusing.
 
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For those who want to watch slide shows without music, I have a number of albums on my Flickr page where you can view scanned slides without it or if you wish you can hum your own tune as you watch. 😔
 

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Thanks Alan, that's good to know. Do you have any suggestions as to which tunes are best hummed to accompany your imagery? Saint Saens' "Aquarium" comes to mind, although it's a bit tacky...but perhaps that's not a major issue?
 
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Thanks Alan, that's good to know. Do you have any suggestions as to which tunes are best hummed to accompany your imagery? Saint Saens' "Aquarium" comes to mind, although it's a bit tacky...but perhaps that's not a major issue?

Well for my digital Southwest album I'd suggest Home on the Range.
 
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