True. But the trouble with MF SLRs and tele lenses even short ones is that they are:Might as well throw non-folding MF Rangefinders into the mix too. Those eliminate the oft lack of scissor extension accuracy of older folders, yet still weigh less than SLR's. But only SLR's make real sense with long lenses, if you happen to gravitate toward that. The whole question to begin with seems like an apples versus oranges comparison, so might as well throw in a few pears too.
A Mamiya 6 or 7 with a good representative of their glass might have that bump up in image quality you are wondering about. The lens pops out some I think, so not a folder.
True. But the trouble with MF SLRs and tele lenses even short ones is that they are:
- Expensive (the lenses)
- Large and heavy
- Almost per default needs a tripod for the format to really make sense. Otherwise shake will kill the sharpness.
- Is more difficult to focus right and fast, because of dimness of finder and relative slowness of glass combined with higher of precision requirement due to the larger and scarcer format.
All of the above can be overcome of course.
But it’s still not as easy and precise as just having a normal lens.
Leaving aside the convenience and versatility factors that come w/ an SLR, shouldn't a folder give IQ that's essentially the same as a bigger SLR? Or have I overlooked something?
Actually, the Mamiya 7 may not pop out , I must have been thinking of another. The Rollei TLR has more of a metal 'bellows' -- more like sleeves, probably, they slide, rather than fold. The Rollei SL66 has bellows...but certainly not a folder!Showing my ignorance here - I always thought if a camera had bellows, it was a folder. Because the bellows "folded" in on themselves to make the camera compact when not in use.
This definition would mean that the Mamiya C330 and RB67 would be classified as folders - I don't think that is what is meant by the term.Showing my ignorance here - I always thought if a camera had bellows, it was a folder. Because the bellows "folded" in on themselves to make the camera compact when not in use.
I think an RB67 is classified as a battleship anchor. Not a fun thing to hang around your neck or stuff in a coat pocket like a folder. Modern folders include the Fuji GF670 and the equivalent Voightlander Bessa iii model. I can't personally think of any others. I haven't bothered to look up when Makinas were last made.
It’s still a large box to drag around. With an extra lens and magazine it becomes a project.Hasselblad V series are small and lighter. Much easier to use.
It’s still a large box to drag around. With an extra lens and magazine it becomes a project.
The “V” or sixties prime type bodies, betray their surveillance camera origins.
The original Handkammer was meant for mounting in a harness on the plane or resting on the fuselage of the aircraft. Never for handholding.
Granted the Hasselblad is smaller but the formfactor and problems with ergonomics persist.
Hasselblad shines in the studio or in the field on a tripod. But it’s merely useable handheld.
Street shooting and candid in general with a Hasselblad is a nightmare.
I don’t say too much about what I own to not create a googleable pickup list for any local Wet Bandits. But I assure you, I have held and used a Hasselblad.I find the Hasselblad very handhold able and I very rarely use it on the tripod. I can and have used it for street shooting and candid photography hand held. It fits very well in my hand. While I found that the RB67 is much more to hold and is like handling the WWII Leopard tank, The RB67 requires a tripod to use for much of its use.
I have never had the opportunity to need or use the Handkammer for mounting a Hasselblad in a harness on the car or plane or resting on the fuselage of the aircraft or tank.
Your hyperbole is very badly overextended or is it that you did not buy one when it was less expense in the past? Seems like there are plenty of sour grapes to go around.
I don’t say too much about what I own to not create a googleable pickup list for any local Wet Bandits. But I assure you, I have held and used a Hasselblad.
The Handkammer is a camera. It’s to the Hasselblad as the V2 is to the Saturn, in the camera world.
A Hassy with normal lens is fine as a handheld experience. But then you might just as well use a good TLR and get a much nicer shooting experience.
that's why they made a Mamiya 6;similar great glass but square negs.Yes, I must admit the Mamiya 7 has fantastic lenses, some of the best I've ever used. But I much prefer the square to 6x7.
Ok. Out of curiosity you got me to react. WTF is that supposed to mean‽
Only in reverse order.that's why they made a Mamiya 6;similar great glass but square negs.
that's why they made a Mamiya 6;similar great glass but square negs.
It’s still a large box to drag around. With an extra lens and magazine it becomes a project.
The “V” or sixties prime type bodies, betray their surveillance camera origins.
The original Handkammer was meant for mounting in a harness on the plane or resting on the fuselage of the aircraft. Never for handholding.
Granted the Hasselblad is smaller but the formfactor and problems with ergonomics persist.
Hasselblad shines in the studio or in the field on a tripod. But it’s merely useable handheld.
Street shooting and candid in general with a Hasselblad is a nightmare.
Makes sense. I have an old Brownie Autographic that belonged to a family member back in the day that fits that description. It can still produce surprisingly good negatives for its age. The folding process is a pain but the carry size is quite small.This definition would mean that the Mamiya C330 and RB67 would be classified as folders - I don't think that is what is meant by the term.
I think of folders as cameras where one part of the camera - such as the part where the focusing rails are - folds in on the rest of the camera to close it and provide a smaller package for transit.
I think an RB67 is classified as a battleship anchor. Not a fun thing to hang around your neck or stuff in a coat pocket like a folder.
@Sirius Glass as I a Hasselblad owner let me tell you, another Hasselblad owner, that I suspect you never used your Hasselblad. It is by far the least-handholdable medium format camera I've used or owned.
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