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I thought I'd connect the post print production "acid free"
archival products with the print itself. Products such as mat
boards, mounting materials, sleeves, boxes, etc, with an
archival rating are buffered to an alkaline ph.

Mine is an all alkaline processing of film and prints. The
distilled water used for washing should measure neutral.
Would my prints be better off if I were to put a pinch of
carbonate in the wash water? Dan
 

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Dan, the criteria for image stability and paper stability differ somewhat. You may want to do more research before you commit to alkaline wash with carbonate.

In any event, bicarbonate may be better because too much alkalinity will eventually degrade gelatin. Gelatin degrades on the alkaline side more readily than on the acid side.

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Dan, the criteria for image stability and paper stability differ somewhat. You may want to do more research before you commit to alkaline wash with carbonate.

In any event, bicarbonate may be better because too much alkalinity will eventually degrade gelatin. Gelatin degrades on the alkaline side more readily than on the acid side.

PE

My original thought was "no", but isn't it great to get the scientific reason as to why not? Thanks PE.
 

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Peter;

Thanks.

Here is more detail. Skin (a gelatin of sorts) and all proteins are quite sensitive to alkali but not as much so to acid. Therefore, in the lab an alkali spill at most any concentration is very serious if it contacts skin and may cause instant blindness. Acid on the other hand gives you a few minutes to wash off provided it is not concentrated acid although you must never take that risk if any gets into an eye.

Many years ago, a famous person was disfigured and blinded by having a lye solution thrown in their face. For this reason, posession of lye in NYC is illegal (that is where the incident took place).

I spilled alkali in the lab and I was wearing a polyester shirt. It dissolved the right shirt sleeve and removed all of the hair on my arm from the elbow down by dissolving it totally. I was safe as I was standing at the sink at the time the beaker split open. I was one fortunate person. My cotton lab coat was pretty much untouched.

So, bicarb is safer on gelatin than carbonate due to the actual pH achieved (8-9) vs (10 - 11). Hydroxides are worse, giving values above 11.

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There has been some research that shows that wash water containing some minerals washes faster than pure water. I was planning to do some fibre printing in the country with a very limited supply of rain water from a tank, and asked around if adding something to wash water would make for more effective washing. This is after normal sulphite/bisulphite wash aid.

There were some posts on pure-silver in March 2005 in which Ryuji Suzuki suggested that 0.3g/L of sodium bicarbonate in wash water would provide a similar environment to the mineral-containing wash water used in some tests. I forget who did the tests, but it was someone notable. I could probably find references if anyone wants them.

The last washing might be better done in the cleanest water possible, but that was not mentioned in the posts.
 

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You have to be careful not to form crystals in your print on drydown.

You also have to be aware of the effect of alkali on the image silver.

As for water itself, many cities make their water slightly alkaline to prevent corrosion of their water lines.

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I guess - if you wanted to be really anal about it - you could prep something like a pH 7.2 final bath with distilled water and carbonate, mixed with wetting agent perhaps. Let it sit 5 mins. And you'd end up with something like pH buffered board. Remember that alkali can be just as bad for prints as acid can be - except that acidic conditions just create more visibly deleterious effects. But acid will get generated over time as the cellulose in the paper breaks down. So - you're hedging a bet - and allowing an alkaline situation for the short term (for the first 10-15 years or so - until the acid makes itself present - and balances the buffer, after which times the general environment will be increasingly acidic)...

there is no magic bullet... but there's a lot you can do to delay the process.
 

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Good to know, Ron ... I use water from my dehumidifier (then filtered for particulates) for film processing. For prints it's just tap water. Since it's Monroe County water, I'm on the same regimen as Kodak. :D
 
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In any event, bicarbonate may be better ...
PE

I've tested bicarbonate as a wash aid. The results
were very encouraging. Additional testing is needed
to establish parameters and pin down the variables.
A long soak in the bicarbonate wash aid will likely
take care of any paper ph issues. Dan
 

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Good to know, Ron ... I use water from my dehumidifier (then filtered for particulates) for film processing. For prints it's just tap water. Since it's Monroe County water, I'm on the same regimen as Kodak. :D

Earl;

Kodak has its own water supply that is not taken from Monroe County or the City water supply (Lake Ontario). It comes from Hemlock lake.

There are 4 internal supplies.

Hemlock lake supply (specially treated and supplied to lab areas)

1. Direct water (hot, room temp and chilled)
2. Distilled (room temp)
3. "Sweet" with calcium added

Municipal water

4. Drinking and sewage - not supplied to lab areas

PE
 

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Watch out for the term "acid" and "acid-free" in paper products. Those terms are not specifically referring to the pH but rather the selection of the paper making method and the sizing material used in the paper. The reference to acid and acid-free is commonly used because old non-archival paper stock used acid sizing agents that gave rise to degradation of the paper. However, this is not the end of the story. Many (if not most or all) pre-WWII photographic paper products were made on an acid paper but many of the high quality ones are still going strong in proper storage.

Addition of alkaline agent in wash water or final rinse bath is not going to convert an acid paper to non-acid paper, as the term is, again, not specifically referring to the pH. Adding an alkaline agent to acid-free paper (most if not all current photographic paper stock) doesn't make much difference, if the alkaline agent is harmless. I'd suggest to avoid this unnecessary step unless there is a specific (and good) reason to do so. Incidentally, most tap water is on the alkaline side, and in case of Boston area municipal tap water, the pH is about 9.2.

John is referring to a summary of a series of studies made by Levenson, Green, and others at Kodak Harrow Lab. It is not really the "mineral" component but some ions present in tap water that accelerate the washing process. Some ions (such as acetate/acetic acid) retard washing as well. Distilled or otherwise purified water is a poor choice for washing. Otherwise, a combination of sulfite-based washing aid and tap water is the most effective and most well tested method. I've done rather exhaustive survey of washing techniques, old or new, and considered the efficacy, cost, lack of potential harm to the image, ease of use, etc. There is no killer magic in this area. Sulfite is preferred over bicarbonate as the washing aid, since sulfite is more effective in removing some argentothiosulfate complex ions, whose concentration increases sharply in partially used fixer bath. Removal of this complex is important for archival prints.

Water can be conserved to a rather small quantity by using counter-flow cascade and fill-and-dump technique together. I don't think I had this recommendation when John asked me last time. I've tested fill-and-dump technique with various fiber papers in a tray, using Silvergrain Clearfix, Clearwash, and cold (about 4-5C) winter tap water. Practical recommendation (which incorporates a safety factor and exceeds current archival standard for residual thiosulfate level) is described in the technical info sheets of these products, which can be found at Digitaltruth site. For those who like to mix from scratch, you can do the same with my published neutral rapid fixer formula and 20g/L of sodium sulfite as the washing aid working solution.
 
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