should I use tongs?

BetterSense · Mar 5, 2009

I actually have tongs now, but I'm in the habit of just using my fingers to pick the paper up and transfer it between trays. I prevent cross-contamination by rinsing my fingers in the final water-rinse tray and drying them on a towel. It just seems so much more lazy that using tongs. Are my fingers going to fall off from the photochemicals?

trexx · Mar 5, 2009

Yes your fingers will fall off, but worst then that you will ruin sheets of paper. Of course you will not know it until you go and pull them from the dryer, there is a finger print in the corner.

Also I know of some old timers that cannot work around Metol any more.

And BTW don't you have BetterSense then that.

TR

Peter Black · Mar 5, 2009

If you REALLY feel the need to get in there with your fingers, you'd be better off with finger condoms like the ones at the link below ----- unless you have a latex allergy, of course!

http://www.digitaltruth.com/store/cart/Fotospeed-Finger-Cotts-100-pack-p-902.html

Sirius Glass · Mar 5, 2009

Should you use tongs? Only if you want marks from the tongs.

Use your fingers and rinse you hands or use good disposable rubber gloves.

Steve

nickandre · Mar 5, 2009

Ansel Adams used fingers for 80 years...

I think the worst thing is the chapped fingers and the smell of photo chemicals on your hands. I don't think they'll fall off. I'm more hesitant around color chemistry, but fishing for a test strip in an 11x14 tray in the dark sometimes requires drastic measures. I use fingers for fiber paper to prevent damage. No finger prints yet. As long as you wash your hands well before mounting so you don't get fix residue on your dry prints.

And trexx, you have quite the sense of humor.

nworth · Mar 5, 2009

If you are getting good results with no stains, your technique using your fingers is working, and you can continue. However, some (not many) people develop sensitivity to developers. Also, your technique may change in time, and your results may get worse. I use tongs mostly because I'm used to them. It's worth mentioning that there are tongs and then there are tongs. Some designs I find unusable. A lot of people have done great work using fingers. If it works, don't worry about it.

JBrunner · Mar 5, 2009

Yes, you should use tongs or nitrile gloves. The least exposure possible is best practice. Anecdotes are just that.

jeroldharter · Mar 5, 2009

I hate tongs. They are good for nothing but ruining a fine print, especially with larger paper sizes.

Use your finger with latex or nitrile gloves or better yet single tray processing.

srs5694 · Mar 5, 2009

As a couple of others have mentioned, some people develop sensitivity to metol, so minimizing exposure to it is wise. Most print developers include metol, but a few don't. Agfa Neutol Plus (but not others in the Neutol line) and Silvergrain Tektol are both phenidone/ascorbate (PC) developers that are metol-free. If you just can't keep your hands out of the developer, you might want to switch to one of these developers, or brew your own PC developer (DS-14, E-72, etc.). Some developing agents (like those used in color chemistry) are worse than metol in one way or another, so I'd be even more wary of using bare hands with them.

Erik L · Mar 5, 2009

I didn't use tongs for a long time and then suddenly I became allergic to one of the chemicals. Itchy raw flaking skin that took weeks to clear up. It is painful and disgusting looking so now I use gloves and tongs These chemicals so far are the only things I have come across that I am allergic to. My opinion would be to play it safe, you only have one liver
erik

jim appleyard · Mar 5, 2009

Didn't your mother warn about this? They won't fall off, but they'll get hairy.

Some folks use tongs, others don't. I do because I don't know what the chems are going to do to me in the next 40 years; already having 30+ in the darkroom now.

BTW, why does Spock have pointed ears? So he can count to twelve! Spock was digital before anyone!

JBrunner · Mar 5, 2009

Erik L said:
I didn't use tongs for a long time and then suddenly I became allergic to one of the chemicals. Itchy raw flaking skin that took weeks to clear up. It is painful and disgusting looking so now I use gloves and tongs These chemicals so far are the only things I have come across that I am allergic to. My opinion would be to play it safe, you only have one liver
erik

What happens is that you become sensitized to the chemical after repeated exposure, so it isn't exactly an allergy. It is a cumulative thing. Once you become sensitized to one chemical, others may follow in a cascading effect, eventually driving you out of the darkroom. It is best not to head down that road, so be smart, and avoid dermal absorption or any other kind of avoidable exposure. I don't freak when I get some of something on me, particularly because I keep my overall exposure to things as low as possible. The darkroom is a pretty benign place if you stay smart about things.

gerryyaum · Mar 5, 2009

I have to wear the gloves also because of the metol (does weird stuff with th4e skin). The gloves are a pain in the butt to work with but it is bettter than the rashes.

Erik L · Mar 5, 2009

JBrunner said:
What happens is that you become sensitized to the chemical after repeated exposure, so it isn't exactly an allergy. It is a cumulative thing. Once you become sensitized to one chemical, others may follow in a cascading effect, eventually driving you out of the darkroom. It is best not to head down that road, so be smart, and avoid dermal absorption or any other kind of avoidable exposure. I don't freak when I get some of something on me, particularly because I keep my overall exposure to things as low as possible. The darkroom is a pretty benign place if you stay smart about things.

Good advice for sure! Sometimes I long for the care free times however I'm not too anal about it, just aware of the inevitable outcome of putting my fingers in the developer
erik

Anscojohn · Mar 5, 2009

BetterSense said:
I actually have tongs now, but I'm in the habit of just using my fingers to pick the paper up and transfer it between trays. I prevent cross-contamination by rinsing my fingers in the final water-rinse tray and drying them on a towel. It just seems so much more lazy that using tongs. Are my fingers going to fall off from the photochemicals?

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Use tongs.

ozphoto · Mar 5, 2009

I use tongs, however you need to make sure they are cleaned thoroughly after a print session otherwise you'll end up with tong marks staining a really lovely print!

For larger sizes though, I use my fingers but do wear latex gloves - cheap and easy to dispose of afterward, as you'll end up damaging the print if you use tongs.

Bob F. · Mar 5, 2009

Please do not listen to "I've used my fingers for xx years and I am fine"; they are in the same boat as the "I've been smoking 40 cigarettes a day all my life and I'm fine" brigade... Contact dermatitis is not something you want - at all. I have seen it and it does not look at all like fun.

Do you clean the bathroom by smearing the cleaning fluid on your hands and wiping the tiles? Would you mop the floor by standing in the bucket and shuffling around with your feet? I suspect not. Keep your hands out of the chemicals.

Tongs or nitrile/latex gloves are the way to go. I use tongs: one each for the dev, stop and fix. The stainless steel ones that self-close are the best I have found. I do not get stains.

bsdunek · Mar 5, 2009

As with eating, fingers were invented before tongs. That said, I use tongs - bamboo with rubber ends. I never have a problem damaging prints, although sometimes, it's hard to pick up a print.

The handle end of my tongs come in red, yellow and blue. I use them in that order in developer, stop and fix. That way they don't contaminate. I do wash them well after each session.

Kevin Caulfield · Mar 5, 2009

I use tongs but am not paranoid if my fingers occasionally contact the chemicals. I can imagine that dermatitis and other similar afflictions could be very painful. A lot of people have mentioned tongs damaging prints, but if you print with borders as I thought most do, you should be able to grab (with the tongs) the print by the border.

Bob F. · Mar 5, 2009

Good point: no need to get paranoid. I just rinse off accidental contact with the chems, drying my hands on paper kitchen towels I keep above the sink and don't worry about it.

On a similar vein, rinse away any spills in the sink etc before the liquid evaporates leaving powder behind that might become airborne - I'd rather spill some developer on my hand than inhale the powder in to my lungs...

Jeff Kubach · Mar 5, 2009

I would use tongs but I wouldn't good in them!

Jeff

MattKing · Mar 6, 2009

Now is the time to start using tongs and/or nitrile gloves.

If you get into the habit now, it will be a lot easier than trying to unlearn decades of less than optimum habits.

That being said, there is no reason to be paranoid about it. All those who say that they've gone for years using their fingers without any bad effects (myself included) aren't lying - they are just more likely to run into problems tomorrow.

Matt

Curt · Mar 6, 2009

I've got some stainless steel tongs hanging within inches of my trays but don't use them much, I've used the bamboo rubber tipped one's but I'm allergic to bamboo and rubber, just kidding of course. I remember the my first time using tongs, I had a really nice print slip out and splat, face down on the floor. I still like to use my right thumb and finger.

For Amidol though I use Nitrile gloves, I hate them but use them.

Graham.b · Mar 6, 2009

There is one way around this, and that is to get a Nova slot printer. The only things you see is a couple of pin holes. I have a 12x16 and if a bigger print is needed, the tray's have it. But still with tongs and a lot more care in handling. I fine FB paper more of the trickery one, but practice.

Graham

Phillip P. Dimor · Mar 6, 2009

I've just about always used my fingers. I do have a bucket of water that I keep handy, fill it up when I print and I just dunk my hands in and then wipe with a clean towel when you're done (and walking towards the enlarger to print again)

I've ruined many prints with thumb marks, until I dunked my hands and wiped. Even dunking between the developer, stop and fix sometimes. No need to really dry in between, just the end.

My college darkroom teacher had the worst allergic reaction i'd ever seen to metol. Her hands were bad. Real bad. She didn't care, she didn't use tongs or gloves. Her hands were habitually dry and scaly/cracked/chapped..

The only tongs i'd consider after having suffered with bamboo tongs a short while are the Kostiner stainless steel ones (if you can find them). Easy to grasp the paper, hard to marr your prints if you grab it on the very edge of the paper.

Kostiner made some great stuff for a while.

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