Sharing test results - Rodinal 1+50 and 1+100 stand

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Hi all, I have read a lot of conflicting views on Rodinal and stand development. Some say that stand development restricts the development of highlights to enable a narrower tonal range and better contrast, and also that it produces higher acuity and hence perceived sharpness. I decided to run my own test on the matter to come to a personal conclusion.

I exposed a 120 roll of Rollei RPX 100, in two brackets from -2 to +4. I cut the roll in half inside a changing bag, and loaded it onto two different reels/tanks.

Tank 1: Rodinal 1+50, 20c, 18 minutes. Agitation for the first minute, and for ten seconds of each minute. Agitation was done by inversion of the tank.

Tank 2: Rodinal 1+100, 20c, 60 minutes. Agitation for the first minute, followed by no agitation at all.



The restrictions on file size made my attached results sheet much less useful than my original is, but even with less detail visible it is clear that the difference between the two methods is not very noticeable. The 'adjusted' column refers to automated scanner adjustment in the image, which I have included for reference. In -1 stand development (unadjusted) I see slightly better development of shadows vs highlights as compared to the 18 minute ordinary development with agitation. I see very little evidence of the magical effect of stand development balancing out under or overexposures, which aside from -1 are very similar at each end.

In terms of sharpness, the attached image gives very little idea due to image size restrictions. I see very little difference in acuity or grain. In fact if anything, the negatives developed with agitation appear slightly sharper under a loupe.

I wanted to share these results in hopes they might be useful for others, as Rodinal & stand development is a frequent matter of discussion.

Limitations of this experiment I am aware of are that this of course only applies to one film, the Rollei RPX 100, and that a scene of different contrast or sharpness may have produced results with more variation.

I'd welcome others' views on the matter.

Kind regards,
Olli
 

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Your conclusions are my conclusions exactly based on the results here. There does appear to be one advantage for 1+50 v stand which is that 1+50 doesn't take as long but on the other hand involves more physical effort

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Your conclusions are my conclusions exactly based on the results here. There does appear to be one advantage for 1+50 v stand which is that 1+50 doesn't take as long but on the other hand involves more physical effort

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True indeed, I actually love the process of stand development but perhaps Im just lazy.. Sadly I find no evidence of the things I really hoped I would find in it..

Exactly as expected. Well done, Olli, thanks.
Thank you!
 

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Wish someone would make 15min, 30min and 60min stand development tests with Rodinal.

Just to debunk or bunk the stand myth (which is based on claim that Rodinal dies after 30 minutes anyways).
 
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Wish someone would make 15min, 30min and 60min stand development tests with Rodinal.

Just to debunk or bunk the stand myth (which is based on claim that Rodinal dies after 30 minutes anyways).

I have two tanks I can load so sadly could only do tests involving two processes, but would be interested in said results! Also loading two reels into two tanks was already a bit of a struggle in a changing bag, imagine adding a third!

I think my next test will be one where I apply rather vigorous agitation as in tank 1 above, and one where I would use a twizzle stick for very very gentle agitation every two minutes. I'd also be interested in comparing semi stand with either a midpoint or a 20 min and 40 min inversion. Though based on the above results Im just not convinced any effect of local exhaustion happens at all which makes me feel the whole premise of benefits of stand dev are imaginary.

Running this test was altogether around 6 hours of work though (sadly mostly on a computer) so its a bit laboursome..
 

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True indeed, I actually love the process of stand development but perhaps Im just lazy.. Sadly I find no evidence of the things I really hoped I would find in it..


Thank you!
May I ask what were the things you had hoped to find in it - I take it that it refers to stand development and what amount of Rodinal you used in the 1+100 stand dilution?

Thanks

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It's great doing tests such as these as we can learn so much. From my own testing (several years ago) Stand in Rodinal is not as effective.... at least in my experience... as dilute Pyrocat-HD. As a result, I don't do full on stand as it's very risky. I always had to shoot a backup just in case. That's costly these days when using 8x10 film. Semi-stand is a safer route, with pretty much the same benefits (suppressed highlights, razor sharp edge effects).
 
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Though based on the above results Im just not convinced any effect of local exhaustion happens at all which makes me feel the whole premise of benefits of stand dev are imaginary.

Stand/sem-stand processing in diluted Rodinal does suppress highlights, an effect of local exhaustion. You need a more appropriate test scene to see it.
 

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Raghu, is that a print of a scene from a negative processed in Rodinal Semi-Stand or simply an example of where semi-stand will work. I couldn't find any details in Flickr that mentioned how the film was processed. For those who have never tried semi-stand they are left wondering if the same negative at that scene processed at 1+50 would have less detail in the highlights

Does anyone have before and after negatives of the same scene processed in 1+50 and semi-stand respectively

Thanks

pentaxuser
 
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