I find the color change with selenium and MG IV subtle yet unflattering. I would stick with the dilution/time for permanence. If you know a good toner for permanence that shifts MG IV slightly to the warm, please let me know.
Hello everybody!
I'm going to be toning some prints made on Ilford MG IV FB, which are meant to be sold. The toning is done primarily to make the prints as stable as possible.
It is often said that neutral and cold-tone papers don't respond to selenium toning that well. Does that only affect the color shifts, or does it also mean that it results in less protection?
That's what i'm wondering. Or in other words: Does a very sublte change in tone also suggest little "archival protection"?I cannot remember if I read it in Tim Rudman's book, or if he said this directly: no color shift means no toning has taken place.
Yes, this method seems to offer a very good degree of preservation. I could also try some ready made combination toners like Viradon or Moersch's carbon toner, which would do this kind of thing in one bath - at the cost of less control.If archival protection is your goal, then I would try as Marco suggested, with selenium for the low values and sepia for the higher values.
Thanks John, i will take a look at it!According to wilhelm a direct sulfiding toner offers the most protection. Take a look at the wilhelm book, it's free and an incredible resource.
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That's what i'm wondering. Or in other words: Does a very sublte change in tone also suggest little "archival protection"?
Thank you Marco, i will take a look at these also.
I found an interesting thread in the LFPF regarding Gmuender's thesis: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=13859
I agree, but i don't know where and how the customer will hang the pictures. Maybe it'll be the worst case and they will be exposed to direct sunlight over jears.Most people these days are toning for color and dmax changes anyways. If you really want the print to last super long, sulfide or sepia tone it and store it well. I'm of the opinion that storing it well is 90% of the equation.
I agree, but i don't know where and how the customer will hang the pictures. Maybe it'll be the worst case and they will be exposed to direct sunlight over jears.
@Marco B
Also agreed. Well, in conclusion i think some toning will be better than none and nobody can guarantee me, that these prints will look like they did on day 1 in 20, 30 ... years. Especially as i don't know how they will be treated.
You don't see silver jewels fade, do you?(yes, I know this is a huge over simplification...)
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