And to push the students minds in directions that they would never find on their own. That is the one of the few draw-backs of being 'self-taught'.
And to push the students minds in directions that they would never find on their own. That is the one of the few draw-backs of being 'self-taught'.
Outsider art is usually not applied to photography, and now that most cameras have automated features, there is a body of "outsider" photographers working professionally. A lot of these "outsiders" work with low-end cameras and smartphones. Some are the flavor of the day and disappear quickly from the public eye.Oh yes. The 'Outside Art'.
Someone who was not formally trained gets listed as 'outside art' Look up the definition and you won't find something more condensing and elitist.
I find it the opposite. Being self taught has freed me from the conventions of what to do or not to do. I'm free to do as I please. In the end, nothing tried, nothing gained.
Very true...some people are quite capable of open-ended exploration. Without a mentor or teacher, most people see what they want to see, read what agrees with their way of thinking, never have to question themselves, etc. Being overly influenced by one's teachers is a big drawback of a university art program. Every path will have positive qualities and drawbacks..and ways to deal with both. So much depends on what one wants to learn.Being "self-taught" doesn't necessarily mean one doesn't have exposure to new ways of thinking about things. Learning things by oneself isn't process of re-inventing the wheel; usually it involves lots of reading, research and experimentation guided by the information gleaned therefrom, which includes lots of concepts one doesn't come up with on their own.
Literacy is a wonderful thing...
Doremus
Yes, but being exposed to the work, methods and philosophy of fellow students/artists can be an invaluable stimulus. Once again, critical thinking is essential.Being overly influenced by one's teachers is a big drawback of a university art program.
Very true...some people are quite capable of open-ended exploration. Without a mentor or teacher, most people see what they want to see, read what agrees with their way of thinking, never have to question themselves, etc. Being overly influenced by one's teachers is a big drawback of a university art program. Every path will have positive qualities and drawbacks..and ways to deal with both. So much depends on what one wants to learn.
Some people never stop learning and some people learned everything they needed to learn decades ago. A university art education takes two to six years, give or take depending on the degree. Then after that, it is being self-taught for the rest of one's life. It is a mistake to think that graduation is a stop to learning. I think a university education is a great way to start a life of self-teaching. But being self-taught or having an art degree is no garuantee of the quality of one's study.
Cholentpot -- Definitions I have read of "outsider art" is much different than you have stated.
Yes. When I was in school, decades ago, the photo majors had varying interests. I was exposed to things I may not have found on my own. It was a fertile environment for learning. There was a common room where students sat with coffee/lunch/dinner, etc., talking shop, critiquing work, and helping each other. I'm still friends with some of them, 40 years later.Yes, but being exposed to the work, methods and philosophy of fellow students/artists can be an invaluable stimulus.
Or, in my case, a way to enrich oneself in later life.I think a university education is a great way to start a life of self-teaching.
I firmly believe in a formal education as in colleges and universities but much can be earned rom books and workshops if one is interested in the subject. Learning from books is not for everyone.Some need a dialog with the teacher to truly understand. Others, benefit from reading and learning at their own time and pleasure.In the end, the results are what matters; many great photographers were self-taught and many formally educated photographers suck!I just realized that my post may seem a non sequitur, as it begs experience form another thread. Apologies.
So...
how did you get to your present mastery of our craft? What do you think of the ways to get there?
How many people left on this planet, who knows about nazis?
It just a word for uneducated, clueless and lazy masses now.
Not for a lot of us who are of an age to have had parents experience WWII.Online? It's just another insult.
And to push the students minds in directions that they would never find on their own. That is the one of the few draw-backs of being 'self-taught'.
Not for a lot of us who are of an age to have had parents experience WWII.
Very true...some people are quite capable of open-ended exploration. Without a mentor or teacher, most people see what they want to see, read what agrees with their way of thinking, never have to question themselves, etc. Being overly influenced by one's teachers is a big drawback of a university art program. Every path will have positive qualities and drawbacks..and ways to deal with both. So much depends on what one wants to learn.
Some people never stop learning and some people learned everything they needed to learn decades ago. A university art education takes two to six years, give or take depending on the degree. Then after that, it is being self-taught for the rest of one's life. It is a mistake to think that graduation is a stop to learning. I think a university education is a great way to start a life of self-teaching. But being self-taught or having an art degree is no garuantee of the quality of one's study.
Cholentpot -- Definitions I have read of "outsider art" is much different than you have stated.
Very true. There will always be exceptional students...either self-taught, formally educated, or a hybrid of formal education and self-taught. And on all paths, there will be lousy students who barely 'pass' and those who fail. The solely self-taught who are not great students and do not get out in the world much perhaps run a greater risk of the Dunning-Kruger effect...they do not know what they do not know. Hopefully, the formally educated would get enough feedback to realize it, but alas, not always true. Mediocre students make it thru universities probably at the same rate as mediocre students make it thru life being self-taught.That is why it is good to read and study diverse views and opinions.
And then there are workshops, which I have found challenging and thought provoking.
Not for a lot of us who are of an age to have had parents experience WWII.
My Mom was too young, and my Dad spent his WWII service time in the RCAF mostly running Radio Direction Finding and Radio equipment in relatively remote areas on the west coast of Canada (in what is now known as Haida Gwaii).At least your parents got a gun and a chance to fight.
My Mom was too young, and my Dad spent his WWII service time in the RCAF mostly running Radio Direction Finding and Radio equipment in relatively remote areas on the west coast of Canada (in what is now known as Haida Gwaii).
They made him learn how to shoot though, before they taught him how to use his Morse Key.
So my Dad spent much of WWII and the next year or so with headphones on - that was how the Radio Direction Finding (precursor to RADAR) equipment worked - sound rather than a screen.
There were three major areas of risk for my father:Kudos to your Pops for manning the RADAR. I heard some nasty stories from vets growing up about those early RADAR setups. Involved a few people being cooked.
There were three major areas of risk for my father:
1) RCAF food;
2) Bears!;
3) A huge percentage of those operators came out of the war with hearing damage - the headphones were far from being workplace safe. In his later years, my Dad finally got around to applying for and being granted a Veteran's pension and benefits because of that (partial) hearing loss.
Dad left the service in early 1947, and never used Morse code again, but to the day of his death at age 94 he could read and decode Morse code.
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