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I'm thinking of getting a Leica III, and putting a Jupiter or industar lens on it to explore Ltm lenses and rangefinder shooting. Would also be a good thing to use at a ww2 reenactment. I was wondering what to look out for, and things to keep in mind.

What are the chances that the rangefinder won't couple with non stock lenses? What can I expect a cla to run me?
 
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Pay less for russian body and invest in Leica lens , if your finances tight. Leica is about lenses , you cant get close to Leitz lenses with russian lenses. I used every major LTM and Russian Rangefinders and start collecting from lenses not bodies.
 

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you also might want to try to do some research on RFF.
 

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For use as a photographic tool, I'm of the opinion that an M body is far superior, although you did mention that you might want to use it in re-enactments.

For shooting, get an M2 or M3 in decent condition, you'll save the cost of CLA'ing an older II or III, and have greater accessibility to lenses, as well as a much, much better viewfinder.

For fun/masochistic treatment of your eyes, get a II or III.
 
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I'm interested in getting an early practical 35mm camera
 

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It wouldn't hurt to tell us what your expectations of practical are and how much experience you have shooting film.

This suggestion won't be as anachronistic like a Leica, but getting a simple rangefinder with a fixed lens might be a good way to get an introduction. Perhaps a fully functional Konica Auto S2 or Canonette would be very practical and capable of taking some very nice photographs.

It might also be worth your time to tell us your budget.


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I want a good example of an early usage of the 35mm format, around the time of ww2 In a camera that's more than just a shelf sitter.
I'm pretty set on a 3a or 3f as I like how compact they are. I have a few other rangefinders (silette) but I don't think they'd measure up to a 3a.

A nice brassed up black one would be great.

The 3a seems to be within reason price wise. I guess what I'm asking is whether they are any good, if so what to look for in one, or if I'm better off just giving up and getting a super ikonta
 

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Well, you could always get an Argus C3. CHEAP and very much appropriate for WWII, you could get a whole lot of gear for it for what a lieca body costs. IF you want a leica just buy one, they are great!
 

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IIIC was a wartime model too.

Things to look for on any of them:
Speeds working correctly, no hang up or slow exposures on slow speeds.
Wrinkled or disintegrating shutter curtains.
Hazy and/or misaligned finders.
Musty smell in the body.

Youxin Yee runs just under $200 for a very good CLA. He also sells cameras with warrantee. If you're not able to find one locally, He would be my First choice/
 

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If you get one in good mechanical shape with a clean viewfinder/rangefinder, they're great shooters. Very compact, especially with a collapsible lens. Some photographers from that era who used them were Henri Cartier-Bresson, Alfred Eisenstadt, Eugene Smith and Robert Capa (later using Contax and Rollei).

The viewfinder itself is a bit of a peephole, so it's never going to compare to the VF of a later M2 or M3, but it is what it is and I've never found it to be much of a bother. It is very easy to focus as the rangefinder is a 1.5x magnification. Shooting is a bit slower at first with knob wind/rewind, separate VF/RF windows and a different dial for slow shutter speeds, but these things become second nature if you shoot a lot. Some folks never get on with the film loading, but others don't have any problem. It's not as tedious a process as some make it out, especially with some practice.

If the rangefinder hasn't been messed-with, any screw-mount lens from Leica, Canon, Voigtlander or others should work fine. I've heard of folks having problems with some Russian lenses as the manufacturing tolerances may not have been up to par, depending on how much vodka was rationed to the workers that day :smile: . I use an Industar-22 on my IIIf and haven't had any issues, but it's definitely not up to the construction standards of Leica or Canon. They can make nice images, especially if you have one with good glass.

I think Leica lenses are overpriced, especially for older lenses which tend to have problems with haze and/or delicate coatings. Canon lenses are definitely a good value and there are a lot available on the used market. Nikon lenses in screw-mount are highly regarded, but may be more expensive. Modern Cosina Voigtlander lenses are awesome if you're looking for a more modern, higher-contrast look, especially if you want to shoot wider than 35mm.

Stephen Gandy's page has a lot of good information on what to look for at https://www.cameraquest.com/ltmcam.htm
Also, if you want to buy a good Leica body that has been serviced and you won't have to worry about, try Youxin Ye at http://www.yyecamera.com/index.html . If you need repairs, his prices and turnaround are very good, generally under $200 for complete overhaul of Leica screw-mount bodies.

When I go to antique air shows, I like to take my IIIf for 35mm, Zeiss Super-Ikonta B or Rolleiflex for medium format and a Crown Graphic for 4x5, if my arms are feeling up to it.
 

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I'm not getting the Leica Screwmount complainers I've seen around here lately.
1933 Leica III, 1939 uncoated Summitar:





 

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Thinking about this..what about a Kodak Signet 35, which was used in WWII? Lens is probably as good as any LTM. You can pick up one of those cheap.
 

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In addition to the Leicas there were Robots, Retinas, Contax, and the aforementioned Argi. On the Soviet side you can probably add the Fed, which also is a good fake Leica. Which part of WWII are you reenacting?
 

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I'm thinking of getting a Leica III, and putting a Jupiter or industar lens on it to explore Ltm lenses and rangefinder shooting. Would also be a good thing to use at a ww2 reenactment. I was wondering what to look out for, and things to keep in mind.

With a Leica III series the rangefinder is 1.5x magnified which makes for easier focusing (especially with longer focal lengths like 90mm+) and you don't get "rangefinder patch flare" (Google it.) Plus, with an Elmar 50/3.5 or Industar-22 collapsible lens, the whole setup becomes very compact.

Loading one isn't nearly the nightmarish chore people make it out to be. Generally black paint Leicas are more expensive than chrome.

Things to watch out for are slow-speeds running too slow/fast or not at all, shutter curtain condition (pinholes), hazy/foggy viewfinder or a dim rangefinder patch.
 
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I have an early retina (retina 1?) Which I will need to restore at some point, it's in very poor shape.

I figured screw it, got myself a nice IIIA and an industar 22 for myself as a self-birthday gift.

I'm excited about 35mm again!
 

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Personally I'd look for a FED II first, if you like the handling but think the Leica will be better then you can spend the extra.

I found a fully functional one for about £35 after a bit of watching. Shutter works at all speeds, rangefinder is accurate, I get evenly exposed negatives back from it. Quality control is variable but if you get a good one (or one which has been fettled by someone who wasn't on a production quota) then they're smooth, quiet cameras.

One big advantage it has over the Leica is that the base and back unclip in one unit for film loading, so you don't need to cut the film leader and then try to slide it in from underneath. It also has one window for both viewfinder and rangefinder. About my only complaint is the lack of framing lines for lenses other than 50mm - I would like a 35mm lens but the clip-on viewfinder I'd need would cost almost as much as the lens, thanks to ebay speculators!
 
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I have an early retina (retina 1?) Which I will need to restore at some point, it's in very poor shape.

I figured screw it, got myself a nice IIIA and an industar 22 for myself as a self-birthday gift.

I'm excited about 35mm again!

NICE! That's the important thing! Being excited. Many of those Industar-22's are as good as the Elmar's they copied. Many even have more advanced or modern lens coating. My FED-version is a deep rich purple-blue coating and sharp as all get out. Actually too sharp and contrasty sometimes. Not enough "character"!! Ha ha.
 

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Unless you're re-enacting WW2 after the D-Day landings, a box camera is likely to be the thing an infantryman carried.
 
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