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Typical film archive pages for 6x7 slides can hold strips of 3 slides in one row. One full strip of 120 film (10 6x7 images) is therefore commonly cut into 2 strips of length 3 and 2 strips of length 2.

Unfortunately, from what I have researched so far, all the MF capable scanners only accept strips of up to 2 6x7 slides/negs, although at least the V700/750 scanners are known to cover a larger area in theory. Is this notion correct? Are there ways to modify the film holders so I can sneak strips of 3 slides into the scanner? How would vuescan handle such a setup?
 

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I use Print File Style NO 120-4UB for 6X7cm negatives. This page, which has four rows, allows placing the negatives in three strips of three, with one negative that goes into the fourth row.

If you have an Epson 4990, V700 or V750 you should be able with the correct orientation on the scanner bed to scan three of the strips at a time since these scanners have a scan area of 8X10.

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Typical film archive pages for 6x7 slides can hold strips of 3 slides in one row. One full strip of 120 film (10 6x7 images) is therefore commonly cut into 2 strips of length 3 and 2 strips of length 2.

Unfortunately, from what I have researched so far, all the MF capable scanners only accept strips of up to 2 6x7 slides/negs, although at least the V700/750 scanners are known to cover a larger area in theory. Is this notion correct? Are there ways to modify the film holders so I can sneak strips of 3 slides into the scanner? How would vuescan handle such a setup?
 

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Nope, the V750 does not allow scanning of 3 6x7s.

The third frame is "clipped/cut" due to the design of the film holder. You end up scanning 4 at a time (holder accepts two 3 frame strips, then flipping the strips over for the remaining 2 frames.
 
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The third frame is "clipped/cut" due to the design of the film holder. You end up scanning 4 at a time (holder accepts two 3 frame strips, then flipping the strips over for the remaining 2 frames.
So what you say is I can insert a strip with 3 6x7 negatives into the holder but part of the third slide will not be covered by the scanning area? Obviously I would love to scan all 3 slides at a time, but even if 2 slides is the maximum I would like to avoid cutting the film into 5 strips of 2 frames.

Does anyone make 120 film holders for the V700 which can hold and scan strips of 3 frames? Can I modify the film holder myself? Has anyone done this?
 

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Does anyone make 120 film holders for the V700 which can hold and scan strips of 3 frames? Can I modify the film holder myself? Has anyone done this?

I believe sanking answered this already. Print File makes the 120-4UB model of negative sheets which hold twelve 6x7 frames, 3 rows of 3 frames, leaving you with 1 frame to insert in the 4th row.

You could try creating your own film holder using black matboard. You would then need to select "transparency full area" from the scanner software so the appropriate lens was used to scan the negative.

I don't see the big deal with scanning 2 and flipping the film, so no, I haven't tried making my own holders. I did, however, find the film holders had some difficulty keeping the film perfectly flat, so I engineered a workaround using Tru Vue glass inserted into the film holder in place of the hinged plastic top. This keeps the flat.
 
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I believe sanking answered this already. Print File makes the 120-4UB model of negative sheets which hold twelve 6x7 frames, 3 rows of 3 frames, leaving you with 1 frame to insert in the 4th row.
It appears I wasn't clear about this: The negative bags I linked to in my initial post do exactly the same. Since handling strips with only one frame is a hassle, strips are usually cut as 3+3+2+2, not as 3+3+3+1 as you suggested. But that is not the main issue for me, my issue is scanning of these strips with 3 6x7 frames.
You could try creating your own film holder using black matboard. You would then need to select "transparency full area" from the scanner software so the appropriate lens was used to scan the negative.

I don't see the big deal with scanning 2 and flipping the film, so no, I haven't tried making my own holders. I did, however, find the film holders had some difficulty keeping the film perfectly flat, so I engineered a workaround using Tru Vue glass inserted into the film holder in place of the hinged plastic top. This keeps the flat.
So you essentially suggest that one has to make his own film strip holder because there are no film holders on sale which would allow scanning of strips with 3 6x7 slides :sad: It's hard to believe that I'm the first one to run into this problem with 6x7 slides/negs ...
 

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Relax, you're not the first person to run into this problem. Folks here have offered you solutions. You can take 'em or leave 'em, it's up to you. But in the grand scheme of things, this seems very minor.

Who's cutting film into 3+3+2+2? I always have my film developed with instruction not to cut. I pick up the roll and cut it myself. Then I can go 3+3+3+1, or any variation thereof.

Have you looked at the film holders from Betterscanning? They used to have a wet/dry mount holder which used pre-cut template for various film types. There may be one for 3 frame strips of 6x7. I honestly don't know.

What's so hard about making your own film holder?
 
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Relax, you're not the first person to run into this problem. Folks here have offered you solutions. You can take 'em or leave 'em, it's up to you. But in the grand scheme of things, this seems very minor.
You are correct and I am grateful for the info you supplied. The reason I was surprized about this 6x7 issue was because I thought 6x7 is a standard format and couldn't believe my eyes when I read that the Nikon Coolscan 9000 only scans strips of up to 2 frames. My surprize got even greater when I read that the Epson V700/750 covers the full 8x10" area, yet only scans 2 6x7 frames at once. I mean, come on, flipping over the film holder certainly is a work around, but what exactly were the designers of this film holder thinking?

Just for comparison: I have scanned dozens of 135 films with my Coolscan V. The negative bags hold strips of 6 frames in one row, and that's exactly what the scanner can do in one pass. With the film feeder that came with the standard package!
Who's cutting film into 3+3+2+2? I always have my film developed with instruction not to cut. I pick up the roll and cut it myself. Then I can go 3+3+3+1, or any variation thereof.
I develop my slides at home, so nobody cuts my film against my will :D For aestetic reasons I prefer 3+3+2+2. If I follow your suggestion of flipping the film holder, 3+3+2+2 makes a lot more sense, since I could scan all 10 slide frames in 3 scan passes (vs. 4 passes for 3+3+3+1)
Have you looked at the film holders from Betterscanning? They used to have a wet/dry mount holder which used pre-cut template for various film types. There may be one for 3 frame strips of 6x7. I honestly don't know.
I just checked them out. The max film strip length their holder allows to be scanned in one pass is 213 mm, which is short of the 230mm my film strips with 3 frames have.
What's so hard about making your own film holder?
In my long engineering career I have made the observation that quite often, when commercial products seem to impose a random limit, there is indeed a non obvious but valid reason for imposing this limit. So I see a scanner which can scan 8x10" slides, yet all the film holders made for this scanner for some unknown reason stop at 213mm film strip length. I don't have this scanner yet, but would love to know what I'm up against if I decide to get the V700. If this modification really works and I can indeed scan 2x3 frames at once after removing some plastic from the folder, I'd be very puzzled. After spending 500+ on a scanner one shouldn't have to do that himself.
 

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If you're really that pressed to scan your 3 frame strips of 6x7, you can wet mount, bypassing the film holder altogether.

Using the supplied Fluid Mount Accessory, you just place the film strip on the tray, apply your wetting agent (KAMI or similar) and cover with Mylar. No need to mess with a holder, and you get the added benefits of the wet mounting process, namely, more detailed scans and elimination of dust and scratches without ICE.
 
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I finally had my betterscanning film holder machined so it now fits three whole frames of 6x7 format per strip. All I had to do was mill away about 7mm of the frame opening towards the top of the holder (the direction where the scanner starts scanning from). The scanner didn't have a problem scanning all 6 frames in one pass.

At this point I am left clueless why the film holder was originally designed like this ... it's not like 6x7 is such a rare format.
 

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Hi

Are there ways to modify the film holders so I can sneak strips of 3 slides into the scanner? How would vuescan handle such a setup?

I used a bit of cardboard (picture frame matte acutally) and laid that with the strip length ways allowing me to scan longer. I used another bit to sandwich the film

I used the matte board because it was held off the glass and masked off from the light source at the edges
 
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I also am having this problem. It really is not a minor fault, it basically doubles the scanning time. I am still interested in if anyone has found a holder that can manage 3 6x7 frames.

I see this Lomography 120 holder, but am unsure how long the film opening is:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0041FXIO0/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A29V79UEY5C6TU&psc=1
My V600 holder fits 3 6x7's. There's no adjustment for focus or ANR glass. Plus, I don;t know how you'd line up the holder on the glass platen for a different Epson scanner.
 

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The Plustek OpticFilm 120 takes 3 6x7 stripes.

With my V500 I have a Betterscanning holder with ANR glass and it was too small for 3 shots, so I saw 0.5 cm on top and 1cm on bottom of the window (the glass is just long enough) so I can now scan 3 shots a time.
 
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