You can make some changes to your image that way, but it doesn’t really extend the capabilities of what you can accomplish when working on only a portion of the image at a time.
The matter was discussed a couple times more since then; I think I came across a link to another blog post on this recently, but I don't recall the details presently.
In a few words, what was the conclusion?
Micro 43 is just fine (20MP). 20MP scans of 35mm are more than adequate. I use my a7iii or EM1-II depending which is handy. I've been known to use the Oly + 60/2.8 Macro handheld just to get sample exposures to work with. If you have MFT with pixel shift high res then you can do that with a tripod....I'd have to buy a digital camera beside my P&S and micro 4/3. How much for the whole setup? What do you use?
Can't blame you for it, either. See here: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/scanning-film-with-digital-camera.199916/ I'd skip ahead to page 2 where we start discussing light sources, and things start in earnest around post #36. There's an excellent comparison in #44 that you may want to have a look at.
The matter was discussed a couple times more since then; I think I came across a link to another blog post on this recently, but I don't recall the details presently.
This applies up to the point where you have a negative that doesn't scan well, and then "you still NEED IT!!" becomes "it doesn't work."And now in post 28, is the conclusion about light source 'it all really does not matter'.
...it all makes me wonder why I bothered to read that quaoted thread, because it seems that whther the 'special conversion' sofware is Vuescan or Negative Lab Pro or something else, you still NEED IT!!
This applies up to the point where you have a negative that doesn't scan well, and then "you still NEED IT!!" becomes "it doesn't work."
I can come up with a literal pound of negatives that have produced excellent images and nevertheless don't scan well on a flatbed.
Alternative techniques absolutely work for challenging negatives. I will have no further comment on this statement of yours.IOW, as Romanko already posted, paraphrased: When you have challenging negs, nothing works.
(which is no different than having to hand color a shot whose negatives suffer from too much dye fade...fake color has to be put into essentially monochrome image)
Alternative techniques absolutely work for challenging negatives. I will have no further comment on this statement of yours.
Matt King made a statement about 'masking before inversion'.
it seems that whether the 'special conversion sofware' is Vuescan or Negative Lab Pro or something else, you still NEED IT...or else you need to invest a lot of time using run of the mill postprocessing software.
which is no different than having to hand color a shot whose negatives suffer from too much dye fade...fake color has to be put into essentially monochrome image
Even my ordinary negatives tend not to be that ordinary, as 100% of my color film photography is using 10-20+ year old film
because it seems that whether the 'special conversion sofware' is Vuescan or Negative Lab Pro or something else, you still NEED IT
Of course. There's no magic light source or filter pack that makes a digital camera behave like an RA4 paper from 1995. And even if there was, you'd still have to make judgements on color balance, so you'd still be pulling sliders.
Could you please post a few examples here to illustrate the point? Here is my (mostly failed) attempt at recovering color from 40+ years' old undeveloped Kodacolor-X (C-22 process).
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OTOH, per my own experience with using scanner to scan neg (rather than using digital camera to shoot an image of the neg) there was little to no slider manipulation to obtain the last image which I posted.
Thanks for sharing the image. The storage conditions were not too bad. The box gave some protection from moisture and light. Also, processed negatives are more stable than undeveloped film.and this one (Kodacolor) is 61 years old...
I'm afraid you misunderstand.
I was suggesting that it is better to first deal with and negate the orange mask and overall red colour, and only then attend to the inversion.
Of course. There's no magic light source or filter pack that makes a digital camera behave like an RA4 paper from 1995. And even if there was, you'd still have to make judgements on color balance, so you'd still be pulling sliders.
3d color profiles can replicate a lot of process accurately. Of course, you have to create them, and they have to be applied to something that they'll work on.
The mask affects colors differently depending on their intensity and overall image exposure, which is why in most cases just "canceling" it with WB doesn't work well. Removing the bias of the mask as a first step significantly uncomplicates the process.
I tested more light sources that I can remember (halogen with different filters, different CRI white LED, different narrow spectrum RGB LED, RGB OLED) and looked at the design of many commercial scanners and can safely say that there is no magic solution that is "best".
It really depends on the combination of film dyes, spectrum of the light source, color filters on the sensor, and signal processing. It's a very complex interaction and each light source has it's strength and weaknesses, depending on the design of the whole unit. (there is even one motion picture film scanner that uses an RGB light source with two different Red sourced, one specially for certain archival footage which had different dyes).
If we limit the question to scanning with a normal digital photo camera and commercial software, then a cool white LED light source with a reasonably high CRI is a good, practical choice. Not all cameras will react the same to the same light source though, and a 99 CRI will not always work better than a 95 CRI, and the software further influences the result, so it's impossible to give general advise about a certain light.
The main problem is that we need different profiles for different films to get an accurate representation of how the film looks when printed optically (and even there there is some differences depending on the paper). It's really incredibly complex (I've been at it over three years until I felt good about my scanner) and none of the current camera scanning solutions really managed to solve that yet (actually, as other mentioned, commercial scanners sometimes struggle as well).
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