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Nebbit

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I'm sure similar questions have been asked numerous times before, but always worth rehashing an important problem. Typically I use a Flextight X1 in a co-op where I pay an hourly rate to scan, however because of the pandemic I cannot use it and have not been able to for sometime. I'm sitting on a large library of negs now and I really like to be able to see and edit them at this point. So here come the options and alternative questions. I'm looking to scan 120mm and 4x5 film, both color and bw.

Obviously, the X5 is a better scanner than any Epson flatbed. The X1 does not stand out quite as far above, but still offers many advantage, especially at the 120mm level. No option is as good as a high quality drum scan done well, but I DO NOT have the budget for that whatsoever, sadly. I did find a Tango on sale for $1000, but also have nowhere to keep the behemoth and it broke my heart to see it go. This leaves the question what can I use at home that is budget friendly and will give me satisfactory results. I'm looking to post content to my site, while retaining the ability to make medium-large prints from my files.

I can purchase a refurb Epson V850 for $700 which sits comfortably in what I can afford. I've used these before and they're definitely not bad, but I have never made prints from their scans. Would it be worth my time looking at a Creo Eversmart, or Screen Cezanne at all? I don't know much about them or their respective price tags. They are older equipment and I therefore wonder about tech issues and compatibility with my Windows 10 comp.

Finally of course, there's the option of digital camera scans. Normally, I wouldn't see the value of using something with less resolving power to capture a MF or LF neg, like my Sony A7RII, however with stitching techniques I figure its possible to achieve very high MP images using this process. One possibility I've been wondering about is suing the Pixelshift feature for the Fuji GFX 100/100s. Has anyone seen, or heard of this being used for negative scans? Theoretically, if done right, it could yield better results than any scanner (outside of drum perhaps) at 400 megapixel output. I've been considering waiting for a good use GFX 100s to come up. If I could use it both as a working camera and high quality scanning solution that would certainly justify the price.

I'd love to hear your thoughts Thanks!
 
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I have used several scanning options and all of them are actually pretty decent.

Epson V700 is inconsistent across the scan bed and has bad film holders but when you get everything working it does a quite respectable job on a medium format negative. The biggest problem is how fiddly it is and how it can be inexplicably blurry if you don't get it in the focus sweet spot. Here's are some sharp scans I've made with it to show what it's ceiling is. I believe the V850 has the same scanning lens and sensor but a different light source:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/48477618741/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/48477631616/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/46118837252/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/48477618671/in/dateposted-public/

I got mine from a dentist's office for $70 who used it to scan x-rays and the bed is all scratched up but it does not seem to have caused any big problems.

Nikon Coolscan 9000 is consistently excellent, but not as much better than the V700 as I thought it would be. I got mine in as-is condition for $500 and fixed it up and got it working, but I haven't cleaned the mirror so there might be some room for improvement. Color is very good and effortless to get something that looks good with autofocus, and it can scan three negatives at a time with autofocus one each one. I have also heard that if you shell out for the anti-newton film holders you can get even better results. Here are a few example scans:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/49236831746/in/dateposted-public/ (6x4.5)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/49940833632/in/dateposted-public/ (6x7)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/50135302203/in/dateposted-public/ (6x6)

Finally, I've also done DSLR scanning before getting all these fancy scanners and I got very good results. I use a D5500 with Nikkor 55 f2.8 on a generic light pad and Negative Lab Pro to convert. It's pretty hard to get color right.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/48666330146/in/dateposted-public/ (One shot)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/44893247282/in/dateposted-public/ (six shots, stitched)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132764966@N03/43108954280/in/dateposted-public/ (six shots stitched, but color conversion attempted in photoshop before I got NLP -- I could not get rid of that red tint!)
 
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Posting pictures on a website calls for smaller file sizes. i f you are editing in PhotoShop you would save for the web. I have been scanning 120 and 4x5 for years with an Epson 4870 and now the V850 Pro with very good results even some prints to 5 and 6 feet.

http://www.jeffreyglasser.com/

http://www.sculptureandphotography.com/

Ya right now it will be mostly web based because of the pandemic, but I scan all my files for print possibilities at large scale. I prefer to get optimal quality once than having to pay an rescan on a better machine. You can definitely get some good results from an Epson, but I haven't used one in ages and not sure if after having used a Flextight X1 and Xa5 for so many year now, if I would find the quality difference concerning.
 

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Assuming you are somewhat adept with editing software, I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference between a touched up V850 scan and the Flextight without doing side-by-side comparisons, at least with the 4x5. If you have a surfeit of images that will absolutely require max quality at some point, then it may behoove you to seek out a used Screen Cezanne or something or other, or dig deeper into a pixel-shift digital camera set-up (I find the results from each of these set-ups to be very compelling, but ultimately I didn't feel like dealing with compatibility issues in the former (not to mention the $), or the set-up/calibration labor in the latter (and again, when considering lens, holders, light source, etc. the $ adds up quick)). In terms of digital cam set-ups, I readily acknowledge their speed advantage once you get things dialed in, but I personally have no interest spending any time with stitching. YMMV.

In my own research, I determined that the V850 was the best mix of price, ease-of-use (i.e. compatibility, set-up/calibration/maintenance labor), and results (speaking for myself, obviously; I don't have any need to print beyond a 4-5x enlargement at the moment). At the very least, for $700 I think it's a slam dunk of a situation worth checking out for yourself. These scanners seem to hold their value pretty well and I don't think you'd have much issue with a resale if you determined you wanted to go down another route, but finding one for that price in the first place is not such an easy task. Not sure if you need a LL subscription to access this link, but this is the best review of it on the internet: https://luminous-landscape.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/The-New-Epson-V850-Pro-Scanner-Final.pdf

Good luck
 

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Unfortunately, I need something to scan 120mm and 4x5

Hello Nebbit - I don't know anything about Screen Cezanne or the other scanner but I did a little searching. They appear to be top-notch scanners but likely far beyond what you or I wish to spend. As for the Flextight, exceptional but then you're renting part of the stratosphere.

You were previously happy with the V700 which is a quite a good Epson scanner. The V800 and 850 is even a bit better and people find little fault with them. Ultimately, how big "might" you really want to enlarge these things? You're just doing for the web right now, but "maybe" you'll want to go large later on. I have a 22 year old Epson flat bed I use for my 6 x 6 negs and have achieved beautiful prints at home on my Epson printer, at 13 x 19. Granted, that's not 2 x 3 feet, but then that old Epson is a 100 years older than the latest models. I have my eye on a refurb V850 which will make me VERY happy.

No scanner is perfect and for under $1000 these days you can get a very nice machine. Also keep in mind viewing distance. Let's say you eventually make some big beautiful wall prints. People typically do NOT walk right up and stick their noses into picture. To appreciate something that large, they will easily be standing back at LEAST six feet, which can bury imperfections our old eyes are developing :D.
 
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Unfortunately, I need something to scan 120mm and 4x5
After ten years of using a V600 on 35mm and 6x7 MF, I bought a V850 when I started 4x5 photography last year. I've happy with my V850 but I haven't printed any of its scans. I did a comparison with a Howtek 8000 drum scanner you can read about here. People say it compares favorably.
https://www.largeformatphotography....-Epson-V850-flatbed-scanners&highlight=howtek

Here are samples of 35mm, 6x7 and 4x5. I think the V850 does a better job than my V600. (Note V600 does not scan 4x5's)
V850 https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=v850&user_id=55760757@N05&view_all=1

V600: https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=v600&user_id=55760757@N05&view_all=1
 
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