Play with them. Bleach the print completely and re-develop with Dektol on a brush.
A quick pic of three 'extra' prints I decided to play with...prints were about 7"x19".
Play with them. Bleach the print completely and re-develop with Dektol on a brush.
A quick pic of three 'extra' prints I decided to play with...prints were about 7"x19".
Vaughn, is the brown effect achieved simply by brushing on Dektol? I never thought Dektol was capable of this effect as a developer
Thanks
pentaxuser
So, using the bleach for AGFA’s Diadirect would not change the colour?A re-halogenating bleach and re-develop workflow means that the original silver halide is replaced by the silver halide supplied by the re-halogenating bleach.
As the image tone is largely based on which halogen is employed, you can change that tone by picking the right re-halogenating bleach.
So, using the bleach for AGFA’s Diadirect would not change the colour?
I'm not sure if your comment was intended for me, or about the bleaching and redeveloping a print discussion in the later comments about Vaughn's technique. In case you intended it for me, the prints are developed for a set time and the exposure is as I want it while the print is wet. Once I'm satisfied with the appearance of the wet print I subtract a predetermined amount of expose from a new print with the knowledge that it will dry down to the appearance of the first print. That first print is also kept and washed where it will dry down too dark. I was looking for a way to retroactively correct that so as to end up with an extra framable print.I suggest switching to Dektol and develop the paper for a standard two minutes. That will help you remove one variable to help you find the proper print exposure.
I'm not sure if your comment was intended for me, or about the bleaching and redeveloping a print discussion in the later comments about Vaughn's technique. In case you intended it for me, the prints are developed for a set time and the exposure is as I want it while the print is wet. Once I'm satisfied with the appearance of the wet print I subtract a predetermined amount of expose from a new print with the knowledge that it will dry down to the appearance of the first print. That first print is also kept and washed where it will dry down too dark. I was looking for a way to retroactively correct that so as to end up with an extra framable print.
Thanks, Matt. We await Vaughn's response on the type of re-halogenating bleach which might prompt a general question of what types of re-halogenating bleaches can be made with what ingredients to achieve this brown look. I had always assumed, wrongly it would seem, that all such bleaches were simply a set ratio of Ferri and Potassium Bromide
pentaxuser
I've found that using a drydown factor, as you do and as Fred Picker and his Zone VI literature for his drydown timers advocated, was only a rough approximation. I find that I can't really decide on the final subtle changes and manipulations to a print unless I evaluate a print that has already dried. Even then, selenium toning often changes the print enough that I need to go back and reprint another a bit differently to account for the toner. Prints dry-down very differently depending on lots of different factors, such as overall tonal distribution and, really critical, how important the white and near-white values are on the print.I'm not sure if your comment was intended for me, or about the bleaching and redeveloping a print discussion in the later comments about Vaughn's technique. In case you intended it for me, the prints are developed for a set time and the exposure is as I want it while the print is wet. Once I'm satisfied with the appearance of the wet print I subtract a predetermined amount of expose from a new print with the knowledge that it will dry down to the appearance of the first print. That first print is also kept and washed where it will dry down too dark. I was looking for a way to retroactively correct that so as to end up with an extra framable print.
This has all come about since I've been experimenting with how to sneak shorter printing sessions in. So I've been printing one or two negatives a night and evaluating the prints the next day. With good notes I can pick back up where I left off and make some tweaks the next day if needed.I've found that using a drydown factor, as you do and as Fred Picker and his Zone VI literature for his drydown timers advocated, was only a rough approximation. I find that I can't really decide on the final subtle changes and manipulations to a print unless I evaluate a print that has already dried. Even then, selenium toning often changes the print enough that I need to go back and reprint another a bit differently to account for the toner. Prints dry-down very differently depending on lots of different factors, such as overall tonal distribution and, really critical, how important the white and near-white values are on the print.
In any case, I have learned to be patient while waiting for my prints to dry. I speed things up by hanging them on clips on my magnetic white board over the darkroom heater, which speeds up drying a bit. In the summer, I'll take prints outside and let them dry in the heat and sun a bit before taking them back to the darkroom.
The light you use for evaluating the prints is important too. I try to simulate what I consider "ideal" display lighting, keeping in mind that real-life display conditions are often darker (so I'll err on the side of a bit lighter print values in the shadows).
At any rate, by the time I get to the "almost keeper" stage, drydown has been taken into account. If I have a print like your pre-drydown prints that is simply too dark overall, it ends up in pieces in the trash. I do use bleaching for a lot of things, but not to salvage a really too dark print that I could make better and more consistently just by printing another.
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