Rollie Pet Peeve

[AgX]

I give up....

 

[grain elevator]

It's simple really, the diphthong is the same as in Lieca and Ziess.

 

[Jay Schrotenboer]

I give up....

You have a lot more patience than I would have, if I spoke another language.

 

[AgX]

Why people just do not learn the Onternatinal Phonetic Alphabet... ?

Well, I myself have only little knowledge of it.
Long time it was not a outcome anyway, as one still did not know the actual sounds, more so as when there was no equivalent in own language (e.g. Gevaert). But today one can make such alphabet audible.

It becomes further complicated when names are made as abbreviations from first-letters. Are those tobe read as single lettrers or as a word? And so on...

 

[pentaxuser]

No

In fact "ei" is in reality a diphthong so two vowels pronounced as a single sound so in effect there are not two vowels from a pronunciation point of view. So Rollei is pronounced Rolleye with the first "o" being a short sounding "o" not a long sounding "o". It sounds more "aw" as in the kind of American "aw" but one uttered more like the "aw" when you are suddenly poked in the ribs and not the long complaining "aw" in such phrases as "Aw Maw, am I really grounded?

pentaxuser

 

[AgX]

Exactly. I did not comment on the O to make it not more complicated.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Yes, you have been fooled... It is the other way round. If at all. Often no vowel is emphasized.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Rollieflex.
Rolleiflex.

Either are better than Hasslebad.

My poor deluded friend ... you do not know what you are talking about, sadly.

 

[grain elevator]

In fact "ei" is in reality a diphthong so two vowels pronounced as a single sound so in effect there are not two vowels from a pronunciation point of view. So Rollei is pronounced Rolleye with the first "o" being a short sounding "o" not a long sounding "o". It sounds more "aw" as in the kind of American "aw" but one uttered more like the "aw" when you are suddenly poked in the ribs and not the long complaining "aw" in such phrases as "Aw Maw, am I really grounded?

pentaxuser

No, not like in "ouch" if that's what you mean; it does sound like the "aw" of disappointment or compassion or in "awesome". Or like to o in "doll". And the ei is like in "heist". I don't know why we get hung up on the vowels, the consonants are what's really hard for English speakers as English doesn't have them.

 

[Don_ih]

This thread just isn't funny, anymore....

 

[pentaxuser]

Exactly. I did not comment on the O to make it not more complicated.

Well maybe we need to risk making it more complicated.

pentaxuser

 

[pentaxuser]

No, not like in "ouch" if that's what you mean; it does sound like the "aw" of disappointment or compassion or in "awesome". Or like to o in "doll". And the ei is like in "heist". I don't know why we get hung up on the vowels, the consonants are what's really hard for English speakers as English doesn't have them.

Yes "doll" is a better example of what I was trying to say about the short "o". Doll was a good choice as opposed to "roll" which quite logically is a long "o"

We have lots of diphthong consonants. The trouble is they all look the same but are pronounced differently. Cough = coff: bough = bow ( as in bowing to the Queen and not the other pronunciation when it is bow as in the native American fires an arrow from his bow = boh )

I could go on but won't as it's no longer funny to Don whom I hope does not harbor a grudge or believe that inflammable liquids are safe from naked flames.

pentaxuser

 

[Don_ih]

You know, I have long been aware how "ei" is pronounced.
And "sz", for that matter...

 

[AgX]

In vain... as over here meanwhile they are banning the sz resp. ß. In spite of serious issues as in Maße and Masse.

Concerning language the Germans are going crazy the last two years, as foreign speaker you better avoid speaking German here at all, it will keep you out of trouble.

 

[pentaxuser]

In vain... as over here meanwhile they are banning the sz resp. ß. In spite of serious issues as in Maße and Masse.

Concerning language the Germans are going crazy the last two years, as foreign speaker you better avoid speaking German here at all, it will keep you out of trouble.

I am a bit puzzled by what you mean here by this. Can you tell us more?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[AgX]

For instance in Germany one "may not" use anymore the term photographers, but instead must use something as those photographing. Or instead use a newly made-up term against our grammar, spelling and pronunciation rules: Photograph-Innen

And this is the speak already used at anything official, on the radio, in academia and by anyone enlighted.

But I stop it here, not to interfere with Sean's no-politics rule.

 

[BrianShaw]

You know, I have long been aware how "ei" is pronounced.
And "sz", for that matter...

I’ll bet!

 

[pentaxuser]

Thanks AgX for the explanation

pentaxuser

 

[Alan Gales]

For instance in Germany one "may not" use anymore the term photographers, but instead must use something as those photographing. Or instead use a newly made-up term against our grammar, spelling and pronunciation rules: Photograph-Innen

And this is the speak already used at anything official, on the radio, in academia and by anyone enlighted.

But I stop it here, not to interfere with Sean's no-politics rule.

Yeah, some are trying to do that here too. I just call it B.S.

 

[Sirius Glass]

For instance in Germany one "may not" use anymore the term photographers, but instead must use something as those photographing. Or instead use a newly made-up term against our grammar, spelling and pronunciation rules: Photograph-Innen

And this is the speak already used at anything official, on the radio, in academia and by anyone enlighted.

But I stop it here, not to interfere with Sean's no-politics rule.

Since when did the Germans start controlling their language the way the French do?