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Hi here Joaco
Recently, my mother gifted me a Rolleiflex 3.5E that once belonged to my grandparents. Upon inspecting the camera, I noticed that the shutter speed and aperture buttons moved simultaneously, preventing me from adjusting them individually. The maximum speed of the camera is 1/60th of a second with an aperture of f/3.5. Is this correct or maybe I need to visit a service?

thanks
 

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The first step is always to RTFM:


BTW, that is a very fine gift.

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Thanks for this amazing material. haha yeah love it, I more used to canon Ae1 so for me this is all new. What I read on the pdf shutter speed is 500. But the dials cant reach it and when I use the wheels of f and aperture both are moving at same time.
 

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Yes, read the manual. But to make it easier quicker, note that the center of the aperture wheel has an inner wheel that also turns. Align its slot with the lines on the wheel’s face, and the two dials (speed and aperture) lock. Move them out of alignment, and the two may be set independent of each other. I am attaching a photo of the aperture dial on my 2.8E for ease of reference.
 

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Yes, read the manual. But to make it easier quicker, note that the center of the aperture wheel has an inner wheel that also turns. Align its slot with the lines on the wheel’s face, and the two dials (speed and aperture) lock. Move them out of alignment, and the two may be set independent of each other. I am attaching a photo of the aperture dial on my 2.8E for ease of reference.

OMGGGGGGGGGGG hahahaha I found it, Hey thanks a lot for this. I am sooooo happy thanks thanks
 

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Be careful. It may look clunky and strange, but after a while you'll be hooked on precision mechanisms designed for use, not marketing, and you'll never be able to use a Sony menu system again without cringing and silently cursing what is called 'progress.' :smile:
 

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That's a really nice gift. It's called 3,5 C in Europe, and 3.5 E in America (It was the model after the 3,5 B, but produced at the same time as the 2,8 E)

The Light Value/Exposure Value System is hated by some, some don't mind it, and a few love it. I don't mind it, but it's good when it can be uncoupled. I have an early 3,5 B on which I have to press the button every time I change the speed or aperture, since the lock can't be disengaged. But I'm used to that. 🙂
 
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Be careful. It may look clunky and strange, but after a while you'll be hooked on precision mechanisms designed for use, not marketing, and you'll never be able to use a Sony menu system again without cringing and silently cursing what is called 'progress.' :smile:

hahaha looks like! Something like that happened when I pick up the canon ae1 vs the olympus OM-D E-M1 MARK III its a different story.
 
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That's a really nice gift. It's called 3,5 C in Europe, and 3.5 E in America (It was the model after the 3,5 B, but produced at the same time as the 2,8 E)

The Light Value/Exposure Value System is hated by some, some don't mind it, and a few love it. I don't mind it, but it's good when it can be uncoupled. I have an early 3,5 B on which I have to press the button every time I change the speed or aperture, since the lock can't be disengaged. But I'm used to that. 🙂

I think that is 3.5e because the serial number I leave some photos of her.
 

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The OP’s camera is clearly a 3.5E. The European 3,5C was sold in the US as the MX-EVS. The MX-EVS lacked the integrated light meter and had a Tessar taking lens. The 3.5E had the meter (or a black rubber strip in lieu of the meter for meterless variants) and a Planar taking lens.

To dive deeper into the weeds: The OP’s camera is an early 3.5E. F&H revised the camera to add a removable finder and called it a 3,5E2, and 3.5E3, and added those designations as prefixes to the serial numbers. I am attaching a photo of the serial number from one of mine to illustrate.
 

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The OP’s camera is clearly a 3.5E. The European 3,5C was sold in the US as the MX-EVS. The MX-EVS lacked the integrated light meter and had a Tessar taking lens. The 3.5E had the meter (or a black rubber strip in lieu of the meter for meterless variants) and a Planar taking lens.

To dive deeper into the weeds: The OP’s camera is an early 3.5E. F&H revised the camera to add a removable finder and called it a 3,5E2, and 3.5E3, and added those designations as prefixes to the serial numbers. I am attaching a photo of the serial number from one of mine to illustrate.

No, what you call the "MX-EVS" is the Rolleiflex 3,5 B. The 3.5 E2 was only sold in the US and UK. The 3,5 E3 is really a mix of the C/E and the F. It has the larger shutter from the F, but the EV-system and optional light meter from the E.
 

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I could be wrong. You could be right. I did not live in Europe in the 1950s so I cannot say from observation that the 3.5E was never marketed as a 3.5C in Europe. But I have never seen any user manual or other literature from Franke & Heidecke that refers to a Rolleiflex 3,5C. Compare, e.g., the F&H manual for the 2.8C:


Can you point to any contemporary product literature that supports your view?
 
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The Light Value/Exposure Value System is hated by some, some don't mind it, and a few love it.

Thank you for such a balanced viewpoint. Most comments on this topic seem to represent only 1/3 of the opinions. :smile:
 

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I could be wrong. You could be right. I did not live in Europe in the 1950s so I cannot say from observation that The 3.5E was never marketed as a 3.5C in Europe. But I have never seen any user manual or other literature from Franke & Heidecke that refers to a Rolleiflex 3,5C. Compare, e.g., the F&H manual for the 2.8C:


Can you point to any contemporary product literature that supports your view?
The manuals called them "Rolleiflex 3.5" except the T and F.

Here are the 3,5 A, B and C from the Franke & Heidecke engineer Claus Prochnow's book. The letters also match the F&H internal names, K4A, K4B and K4C.
 

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The manuals called them "Rolleiflex 3.5" except the T and F.

Here are the 3,5 A, B and C from the Franke & Heidecke engineer Claus Prochnow's book. The letters also match the F&H internal names, K4A, K4B and K4C.

Ah, Herr Prochnow. He wrote the book. But books make mistakes and the Rollei list members (most of them much older and wiser than I) have picked apart a number of Herr Prochnow's mistakes in that volume. (One other example that comes readily to mind was Prochnow's claim that the Xenotar lens was derived from the Xenar lens, when the design appeared instead to be a close derivation of a Planar lens.)

It is true that the 3.5E had an internal designation at Braunschweig of K4C. And it is also true, as you have shown, that Prochnow's taxonomy translates "K4C" to "3,5C." But Prochnow is not a primary source, nor is he an infallible one. (Far from it.)

You said that the 3.5E was sold in Europe as a 3,5C. If that is so, then there should be plenty of records from Franke and Heidecke to support such a claim. Or even advertisements from the the 1950s camera magazines. I have seen claims, like yours, that the 3.5E was sold in Europe as a 3.5C. But I have never seen any contemporary usage from a primary source that supports the claim. If you know of any, please share.

FWIW, calling K4C a "3.5C" makes little sense. It is in all respects identical to the 2.8E, except that it has an f/3.5 taking lens. The letters, as you know, designate design generations. The C generation, exemplified by the 2.8C (link to the manual in my previous post), had a ten-blade iris; had plastic rings for shutter lock and flash attachment; and lacked an internal lightmeter. The E generation moved to a five-blade iris; replaced the plastic fittings for shutter lock and flash attachment with metal fittings; and redesigned the exterior to accommodate an internal lightmeter. The K4C has all of the characteristics of the E generation of cameras, none of the C.

As I said, I was not living in Europe in the 1950s (being born in the US in 1958) so I cannot say how camera sellers marketed the camera. But it makes little taxonomic sense to call a 3.5E a C-model in light of the cameras' design history.

[PS: Apologies for beating a dead horse.]
 
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Sigh... I wish Photrio had subthreading. Like Usenet newsreaders, or even Twitter. This very helpful and efficient approach to groups seems lost in most places. As a topic diverges, it goes off in its own thread that people can follow or not as they wish. All sorts of arcane and useful knowledge remains to be read but does not bury the original post. I pity a newcomer who revisits a topic, thiinking that they will find new info about A, so goes to the end for most recent posts and then wonders how he ended up reading about making Yak wool yarn when he was interested in how best to open a camera and load film.
 

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Ah, Herr Prochnow. He wrote the book. But books make mistakes and the Rollei list members (most of them much older and wiser than I) have picked apart a number of Herr Prochnow's mistakes in that volume. (One other example that comes readily to mind was Prochnow's claim that the Xenotar lens was derived from the Xenar lens, when the design appeared instead to be a close derivation of a Planar lens.)

It is true that the 3.5E had an internal designation at Braunschweig of K4C. And it is also true, as you have shown, that Prochnow's taxonomy translates "K4C" to "3,5C." But Prochnow is not a primary source, nor is he an infallible one. (Far from it.)

You said that the 3.5E was sold in Europe as a 3,5C. If that is so, then there should be plenty of records from Franke and Heidecke to support such a claim. Or even advertisements from the the 1950s camera magazines. I have seen claims, like yours, that the 3.5E was sold in Europe as a 3.5C. But I have never seen any contemporary usage from a primary source that supports the claim. If you know of any, please share.

FWIW, calling K4C a "3.5C" makes little sense. It is in all respects identical to the 2.8E, except that it has an f/3.5 taking lens. The letters, as you know, designate design generations. The C generation, exemplified by the 2.8C (link to the manual in my previous post), had a ten-blade iris; had plastic rings for shutter lock and flash attachment; and lacked an internal lightmeter. The E generation moved to a five-blade iris; replaced the plastic fittings for shutter lock and flash attachment with metal fittings; and redesigned the exterior to accommodate an internal lightmeter. The K4C has all of the characteristics of the E generation of cameras, none of the C.

As I said, I was not living in Europe in the 1950s (being born in the US in 1958) so I cannot say how camera sellers marketed the camera. But it makes little taxonomic sense to call a 3.5E a C-model in light of the cameras' design history.

[PS: Apologies for beating a dead horse.]

Good points, but there are more generations of the 3,5 than the 2,8, and the 3,5 of the same generation as the 2,8 C doesn't have the plastic lock parts, and the loupe is different. The 2,8 C and D had the Rolleikin counter pre-installed.

I see 3,5 C/E being called with those letters, but in advertisement and brochures it's called "Rolleiflex 3,5" or "Rolleiflex Automat", while the 2,8 E is called just that. The internal name for the 2,8 E was K7E, for the 2,8 D it was K7D and K7C for the 2,8 C. The internal naming isn't always consistent, though, and can be confusing. Same with the letters for the early Rolleicords assigned by collectors.
 

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Hi here Joaco
Recently, my mother gifted me a Rolleiflex 3.5E that once belonged to my grandparents. Upon inspecting the camera, I noticed that the shutter speed and aperture buttons moved simultaneously, preventing me from adjusting them individually. The maximum speed of the camera is 1/60th of a second with an aperture of f/3.5. Is this correct or maybe I need to visit a service?

thanks

It should go up to 1/500th of a second. Very fine camera, I have the same but with no meter and the Xenotar. The photos it takes have a special quality.
 

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You have a fine camera, a testament to German craftsmanship and engineering. Mine has a Zenotar f3.5, taking lens, and the serial number 3.5 F, 228xxxx. I acquired it years ago and it always produces great images. I have an owner's manual and it refers to both the 2.8 and the 3.5 the only difference is the taking lens, otherwise, the cameras are identical. One thing I would advise is when you have the shutter speed/aperture dials working, exercise the shutter speeds once a month or so with particular attention to the four slowest speeds. These speeds seem to be the ones that slow down in timing. No need to put film in, just crank and fire. The speeds are 1 second to 1/500.
 
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Okay the photos looks amazing, Im going to buy the screen from magicflex the cheaper 80 euros and send to a polish service that I saw on the rollei repair web page, is a guy that is retired, but I wrote him and told me that he is doing some jobs of this cameras.
Leave some of the photos.
 

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Nice pictures. You have put your "new" camera to good use and produced interesting pictures.
Also thank you for the information about the magicflex screens; interesting as I would not pay for a Beattie or Maxwell screen.
 
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Nice pictures. You have put your "new" camera to good use and produced interesting pictures.
Also thank you for the information about the magicflex screens; interesting as I would not pay for a Beattie or Maxwell screen.

the flawed is 80... but he told me that is quite nothing the flawed. If someone have it and can do a comment about this magicflex screen will be amzing
 
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