The shutter one has a retaining ring that can be removed with a spanner?
The flash appears to be riveted from the back. Meaning metal splayed out to retain the central bushing. There appears to be a layered assembly, top part and bottom part tied together, possibly another internal rivet or press fit. Some careful bending an a willingness to either reform or find a replacement for the small flange areas should work. The metal pieces inside the opening are to retain a Rollei-specific flash connector, I believe, so you could rebuild the part without the pieces and epoxy or solder a solid assembly?