Rollei Bay II Rolleinar?

mjs · Sep 27, 2008

Hi, folks. A local camera store is moving to a new location and had a pre-moving sale today, after cleaning out the basement. I got a lovely Bay I lens hood for my New Standard Rolleiflex (and with that uncoated lens, it needed one!) I also got another widget which I'm going to sell but am not completely sure what it is. I'm hoping that you can help.

It's NOS -- new, never used, and still in the box. The box says "Rolleinarsatz" with "D 2" underneath, and "2 x Bajonett" beneath that. On the filter itself it says "Rolleinar 2 - 28.5" and has the "diameter" symbol following, on the topmost metal ring. On the bottom ring it says, "Rolleinar 2 - 28.5" again with the "diameter" symbol following. (Of course, it also says "Franke & Heidecke" and "Germany" here and there.

I think that it's a Bay 2 Rolleinar #2 -- am I right? It won't fit my camera -- it's too small.

Thanks for your help! I'll be listing it here tomorrow (Sunday.)

Mike

JPD · Sep 28, 2008

It sounds to me that they are an early Rolleinar set for Bayonet I.

Bayonet I Rolleinars and filters are marked "28,5" because the lenses on the early Automats, and the New Standard, also could use 28,5mm slip-on accessories. Bay II is marked "34" and Bay III "38" (plus the diameter symbol). Later filters and Rolleinars were not marked with diameter, only "RI, RII or RIII".
"D 2" probably means "Diopter 2" as in "Rolleinar 2"
"2 x Bajonett" means that both Rolleinars have bayonet mounts. There were also sets with one slip-on and one bayonet Proxar/Rolleinar for the Rolleiflexes and Rolleicords with bayonet on the taking lens only.
Your New Standard Rolleiflex has Bay I, so it's strange that the Rolleinar set is too small. If the set had Bay II they would be to large to fit.

Can you post pictures of the set? It *should* fit your camera, so I'm curious why it doesn't.

Mark Antony · Sep 28, 2008

Does it look like this:
Rolleinar close up lens

Sounds like a bay 1 although I find it strange it doesn't fit on your Standard, although some post war Rollei cameras can have parts from earlier series so can have a slight variation, this is very true for cameras made 1946-49 apparently.
Mark

mjs · Sep 28, 2008

Mark Antony said:
Does it look like this:
Rolleinar close up lens

Sounds like a bay 1 although I find it strange it doesn't fit on your Standard, although some post war Rollei cameras can have parts from earlier series so can have a slight variation, this is very true for cameras made 1946-49 apparently.
Mark

It looks very much like the one in your example, except that yours has a black bevelled ring with writing, while mine has no such ring. And no case.

I just looked again and it definately does not fit the lens on my New Standard: it's just a few mm too small in diameter. As I said, the lens hood I bought fits perfectly. I suppose that I'm assuming that the lens hood is Bay I, since other than the Rollei logo there's no writing on it or the box which would indicate size. On the other, other hand, I bought a cheap plastic "Rollei" lens cover on Ebay last week and it fits perfectly as well.

Let's see if there's enough juice in the digicam to post a couple of photos...

Mike

JPD · Sep 28, 2008

Very strange, as these are Bay I Rolleinars. Let's have a look at your camera and the lens hood?

Did you mount them the correct way? The lens hood goes on the outer bayonet on the camera, and the Rolleinars in the inner bayonet.

Mark Antony · Sep 28, 2008

From you photo it looks like a bay 1 Rolleinar. Early versions had a lens for the view and one for the taking lens and a parallax correction lens (with black bevelled ring and red dot) which was separate and mounted on the top (later ones had all in one view/correction)
I'll bet your set is missing the 'Rolleiparkeil' correction lens.
As to why it won't fit? I can't answer.
mark

JPD · Sep 28, 2008

Mark Antony said:
I'll bet your set is missing the 'Rolleiparkeil' correction lens.

It was sold separately.

As to why it won't fit? I can't answer.
mark

My guess is that he tried to mount them with the wrong side on the outer bayonet. The only other possibility is that the bayonets on the camera aren't original, but the Bay I lens hood did fit so that's not likely.

mjs · Sep 28, 2008

JPD said:
Very strange, as these are Bay I Rolleinars. Let's have a look at your camera and the lens hood?

Did you mount them the correct way? The lens hood goes on the outer bayonet on the camera, and the Rolleinars in the inner bayonet.

Inner bayonet, you say? The thought never occurred to me. By George, you're right! Solved. Thank you, I appreciate iy very much.

Mike

JPD · Sep 28, 2008

mjs said:
Inner bayonet, you say? The thought never occurred to me. By George, you're right! Solved. Thank you, I appreciate iy very much.

Mike

Great! Why not keep the set? Get a Rolleiparkeil 2 for the parallax correction and shoot some close-ups.

mjs · Sep 28, 2008

JPD said:
Great! Why not keep the set? Get a Rolleiparkeil 2 for the parallax correction and shoot some close-ups.

I might! I've seen some very interesting portraits in the TLR group. Wife said the same thiing earlier this evening.

Mike

Nick Merritt · Sep 30, 2008

Rolleinars are great fun, and quite useful, but a Rolleinar 2 is going to be too close for portraits. Much better for macro stuff. Look for a Rolleinar 1 for portraiture.

mjs · Oct 1, 2008

Nick Merritt said:
Rolleinars are great fun, and quite useful, but a Rolleinar 2 is going to be too close for portraits. Much better for macro stuff. Look for a Rolleinar 1 for portraiture.

I'm going to try it with the Rolleinar 2 anyway; it occurs to me that since I don't have the parallax correction widget, possibly with the 2 I can let the subject be further away and reduce the parallax error. We'll see: it won't harm anything to try it.

Mike

Mark Antony · Oct 2, 2008

Nick
I like the Rolleinar #2 for portraits

In fact I think the 2 is actually my favourite, not got a 3 so I can't say if thats too close but the 2 is fine by me!
Mark

mjs · Oct 2, 2008

Mark, it was your portraits which convinced me that a 2 wasn't too strong for portraits in the first place!! A question, though, if I could: how much of a problem is parallax? Not having the corrector, will very much correction (in the viewfinder) be necessary?

Mike

Mark Antony · Oct 2, 2008

I think you need the correction lens, the closer you get the more important.
I wasn't aware that they even sold the Rolleinar without them, mine was so cheap I'd just get a set (I paid £10)
Alternatively you could shoot a test film with a tape measure, note the markings at the top and bottom of the frames. When you look at the negs you should see how far out you are, and if you have a grid screen you could approximate....
I think that might work
Mark

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