...development is essentially diffusion controlled. Therefore the user only needs to provide fresh developer to the surface of the film. One or two inversions is sufficient. Any additional agitation will cause problems.
As an aside, it does work in continuous agitation systems, with the provision that you will possibly speed the dilution of Bath A into Bath B and lose some edge/compensation effect. But that is down to the diffusion rates in the emulsion. I have used a Jobo with 5+5 min at 21C with Delta 100 and 400 at one stop below box speed. I think the biggest issue with the Thornton developer is that it may be too flexible!
ed1k and Michael,
Yes, as I said, I can understand the reasons to minimize agitation in Bath B.
But, as you both say, Bath A is seeming like the place (in Thornton's Two Bath NOT Diafine) where one could really use agitation and time to control the highlights. My limited testing has certainly suggested this.
It would then follow I'd use development time in bath A as a primary control of contrast, rather than varying agitation frequency.
That's my two cents at least. To me, with a general purpose, non-compensating developer, once you have an agitation scheme that produces consistent, even development, I wouldn't mess with it in an attempt to control contrast. Development time is always the easiest, least risky variable to change in any process.
Hi Shawn,
not really sure what you are getting at here. Thornton's two-bath controls the highlights (i.e. they are never over-blown).
Varying agitation in both Bath A and Bath B may have some effect on mid-tones but the highlights remain controlled.
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I would suggest that you pick an agitation regime that you like (despite other posts, I never have any problems with one inversion every 30 seconds) and stick to that and concentrate on finding which development time suits your work.
Bests,
David
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My results consist of no film spots.. sooo take that any way you want
Firstly, I do not use metal tanks - so this should be taken into consideration - but have exclusively used Barry Thornton's two-bath developer with 120 Delta 400 film for many many years.
The processing sequence that works for me (using Paterson plastic tanks) is as follows:
00:00 pre-soak with constant agitation
01:45 drain pre-soak out of the tank
02:00 Pour Bath A in and invert 4 times in the first 30 seconds followed by a sharp tap on the bottom of the tank to dislodge any possible air bubbles. Then one gentle inversion every 30 seconds always followed by a sharp tap on the bottom of the tank to dislodge any possible air bubbles.
06:45 Pour Bath A out of tank into a jug.
07:00 Pour Bath B in and invert 4 times in the first 30 seconds followed by a sharp tap on the bottom of the tank to dislodge any possible air bubbles. Then one gentle inversion every 30 seconds always followed by a sharp tap on the bottom of the tank to dislodge any possible air bubbles.
11:45 Pour Bath B out of tank into a jug.
12:00 Pour in water stop bath and agitate constantly
12:45 Pour water stop bath out into the drain.
13:00 Pour in fix and agitate constantly
15:00 Remove films from tank and place into a large jug of water and leave until all of the pink dye is removed from the film then return the film to the fix for a further 2 minutes.
Finally, wash using the Ilford method.
A note on mixing the chemicals and use
- I mix up 1 litre of Bath A (my tank is the 1 litre version that can accommodate up to 4 films) and store in a 1 litre dark brown glass bottle. This one litre is sufficient for 24 films (but note the following point about Bath B).
- I mix up two litres of Bath B at the normal 12g of Sodium Metaborate (which are stored in two 1 litre dark brown glass bottles) and use each bottle of Bath B for 12 films and then discard.
- I mix up one litre of Bath B at the N+ dilution of 20g of Sodium Metaborate (which is stored in a 1 litre dark brown glass bottles) and use rarely when needed.
A note on the N-, N and N+ dilutions
- 99% of all my photographs are developed with the N version of Bath B. I have never had any negative where I felt that it should have been developed using the N- version of Bath B.
- The N+ version of Bath B is useful but not in the sense of a strict +1 stop expansion (which can be much better achieved by selenium toning the negative). If I photograph something that has dark shadows and bright highlights but also a significant part of the scene is relatively lacking in mid-tone separation then I use the N+ version of Bath B. This has a significant effect on expanding the mid-tones of a scene that was lacking such a mid-tone separation.
Having just quickly looked through the 100 odd images on my website, there are 6 photographs where I used the N+ Bath B and all of the rest were developed using the normal Bath B.
Best of luck finding your own best way of using Thornton's two-bath developer - it is a great, reliable and cheap developer.
Bests,
David
www.dsallen.de
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