hansbeckert said:
I guess it all depends on your standards. I think mine are considerably higher than yours and this photo to me is average, very average. I don't care how hard it was to take! What does difficulty have to do with anything?
hansbeckert said:Flat? That's a surprising comment! How so? The day was hazy-bright, and the uniforms were white with black stripes and the other team wore this hideous green. The print shows a full rage of tones. The green uniforms are probably what's giving you that impression. 'Average'? Have you ever used a VERY long lens? This is actually quite a good capture. The ball is bouncing right out of their reach, and the boys are in sharp focus. This ain't easy, not by a long shot...
Art Vandalay said:I guess it all depends on your standards. I think mine are considerably higher than yours and this photo to me is average, very average. I don't care how hard it was to take! What does difficulty have to do with anything?
hansbeckert said:So, when you say your standards are 'higher' I hope you don'r mean in comparsion to rocks and trees on 8x10 view camera
Art Vandalay said:Nope, didn't mean that at all. They are higher because excuses don't mean a thing to me when I look at a photo. I'm sorry now that I mentioned it. To tell the truth I thought you'd just let it slide off of your back. I'm finished with this thread.
hansbeckert said:Difficulty has a lot to do with it...you must consider the context...you can't do this with a view camera, and very long lenses are difficult to aim..the ball is moving about..it's hard to follow the action and keep tight on the players while focussing and keeping the composition reasonably interesting...all at once. Technically, it is naturally going to be inferior to static subject matter and large format negative, but of course you understand that...I hope...
So, when you say your standards are 'higher' I hope you don'r mean in comparsion to rocks and trees on 8x10 view camera...
I don't claim it's 'outstanding', but somewhere above average.
VoidoidRamone said:If you want difficulty why don't you shoot pinhole made out of a Quaker Oats box. Run around with a changing bag and some paper, see how fast you can successfully change a pinhole, it'll be like a sport since photography isn't an 'art', right? Then when you get back to the darkroom try developing your sheets in some really awkward developer like coffee or something toxic... that'll be difficult. In fact that whole process would be so difficult that if you pulled it off you would probably have the greatest photo ever made... that is if difficulty is how you judge photos.
VoidoidRamone said:If you want difficulty why don't you shoot pinhole made out of a Quaker Oats box. Run around with a changing bag and some paper, see how fast you can successfully change a pinhole, it'll be like a sport since photography isn't an 'art', right? Then when you get back to the darkroom try developing your sheets in some really awkward developer like coffee or something toxic... that'll be difficult. In fact that whole process would be so difficult that if you pulled it off you would probably have the greatest photo ever made... that is if difficulty is how you judge photos.
VoidoidRamone said:If you want difficulty why don't you shoot pinhole made out of a Quaker Oats box. Run around with a changing bag and some paper, see how fast you can successfully change a pinhole, it'll be like a sport since photography isn't an 'art', right? Then when you get back to the darkroom try developing your sheets in some really awkward developer like coffee or something toxic... that'll be difficult. In fact that whole process would be so difficult that if you pulled it off you would probably have the greatest photo ever made... that is if difficulty is how you judge photos.
If a picture is deemed good by degrees of difficulty in taking it, there are several I want to monimate for that prestigious list. Les McLean and is documentation of street photography in Belfast No. Ireland. The calgary contigent for standing out in those temps from Oct. to July. Robert Kennedy for taking anything and presnting it at the U of A art department. Ann for being a delight and teaching with compassion and caring. Sean for babysitting all of us.Jorge said:LOL...you think he should do this standing on his head to make it more difficult. HOw about this, lets have him change the film in the changing bag with his teeth only, hands tied behind his back.
BTW Ramone, do me a favor and dont quote him, this way I am blissfully ignorant of the idiocys he writes.....
so if it was hard to take the picture that makes it good, uh? oh brother....!!
Aggie said:If a picture is deemed good by degrees of difficulty in taking it, there are several I want to monimate for that prestigious list. Les McLean and is documentation of street photography in Belfast No. Ireland. The calgary contigent for standing out in those temps from Oct. to July. Robert Kennedy for taking anything and presnting it at the U of A art department. Ann for being a delight and teaching with compassion and caring. Sean for babysitting all of us.
Aggie said:If a picture is deemed good by degrees of difficulty in taking it, there are several I want to monimate for that prestigious list. Les McLean and is documentation of street photography in Belfast No. Ireland. The calgary contigent for standing out in those temps from Oct. to July. Robert Kennedy for taking anything and presnting it at the U of A art department. Ann for being a delight and teaching with compassion and caring. Sean for babysitting all of us.
joeyk49 said:Hmmm. It appears that I need to add rodinal to the topics that I don't bring up at a coctail party...along with religion and politics...
joeyk49 said:Although I have to admit to being entertained by the banter, I simply wanted to find out if I should be starting with Rodinal (as I haven't yet developed my first roll) or using it as a specialty developer. Now, keep in mind that I'm green and knew nothing about the chem before this thread...
TPPhotog said:Morten LOL I prefer natural light whenever possible, can't have flasing in front of those nice innocent gothic models now can we
Jorge said:PS, I dont know if you are the same beckert as the one on PN, or if you also are the same as Scarpatti, all I want to say is dont come to this forum and mess it up, I will make your life miserable, ask simmons.
Ed Sukach said:I've NEVER gotten over the thrill of seeing the developed images after developing - and I doubt that I ever will. I HOPE I never do.
One of the things that makes it all worth while.
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