Road Trip - Oregon, Washington & Montana

Vaughn · Jul 18, 2019

I am off for a quick road trip north to the Tacoma/Seattle area for a nephew's wedding on Saturday, possibly heading home Monday morning with a quick whip around Mt. Rainer. But today it is up the Oregon Coast a ways before heading east...probably south of Tillamook...to Hwy 5. The rest stop just north of Portland is my destination tonight. I got the Rolleicord and the 5x7 loaded up...keeping it small on this quick trip. I am taking up a small round of Humboldt Fog...while a good name for some of our greener products, this is a local, but world-known, soft goat cheese.

Drew -- I shaved the hair from below my eyes and down my cheeks. If I wear high-collar long-sleeve shirts and keep my hat on, I can get by the inspection stations okay. Driving a Eurovan which sits high, makes it hard for them to guess my height.

jtk · Jul 19, 2019

I've been thinking about a similar road trip, but have decided to focus entirely on traveling out of Taos, NM...where I've reserved a week with an AirBandB....Half the price of average motel and better than most B&Bs.

jtk · Aug 2, 2019

Should say I'm heavily into history...Oregon's revolves significantly around Native genocide...I'm more interested in Native cultural survival and, of course archaeology than forests and landforms.

Sirius Glass · Aug 2, 2019

jtk said:
Should say I'm heavily into history...Oregon's revolves significantly around Native genocide...I'm more interested in Native cultural survival and, of course archaeology than forests and landforms.

California was also quite efficient at native genocide.

Theo Sulphate · Aug 2, 2019

The indigenous people in Mexico, Central America, and South America didn't have Spanish and Portuguese as their native language any more so than French, Dutch, or German were native to the peoples of Africa.

Etc.

Conquest of land and people is as old as the human race.

jtk · Aug 2, 2019

Sirius Glass said:
California was also quite efficient at native genocide.

Yes. My family operated a ranch in the middle of Ohlone (Fremont) country. But the OT isn't about California. Unfortunately CA appears to have gotten some of its formal genocide practitioners from Oregon (and others from Spain, of course). In addition, Washington DC drove a lot of Native slaughter, but probably not as much in CA as in AZ (Apache).

jtk · Aug 2, 2019

Theo Sulphate said:
The indigenous people in Mexico, Central America, and South America didn't have Spanish and Portuguese as their native language any more so than French, Dutch, or German were native to the peoples of Africa.

Etc.

Conquest of land and people is as old as the human race.

I know this is quibbling but there's a technical difference between "conquest of land and people" and formal, enthusiastic mass killing, as in 20th century Europe and 19th century USA and California/Oregon/Arizona (partially at telegraphed command from Washington DC).

Theo Sulphate · Aug 2, 2019

jtk said:
I know this is quibbling but there's a technical difference between "conquest of land and people" and formal, enthusiastic mass killing, as in 20th century Europe and 19th century USA and California/Oregon/Arizona (partially at telegraphed command from Washington DC).

My point is that no nation, people, tribe is innocent. While none of what has happened has been good, the best we can do today is act individually to be respectful to all people and work to prevent future atrocities.

jtk · Aug 3, 2019

Theo Sulphate said:
My point is that no nation, people, tribe is innocent. While none of what has happened has been good, the best we can do today is act individually to be respectful to all people and work to prevent future atrocities.

That's not nearly valid, far from "the best we can do". The historic horrors in Oregon (and CA) are blithely ignored in Oregon (near total ignorance) , only now being talked about in California. Historic memory is one of the obligations of education.

Germany is honorably committed to making amends for its monstrous history...that's the core reason it's been so open to immigrants. Nations and states (including the Vatican, re the California missions) have moral obligations.

In New Mexico the biggest newspaper (we do read here) publishes relevant stories every week.

jtk · Aug 3, 2019

….all of that aside (but being relatively well informed about history here), I'd prioritize Montana for my own upcoming trip...but don't have time, just now, for the distance. I want to explore the northern part of my state in more detail than I have previously.

Theo Sulphate · Aug 3, 2019

jtk said:
That's not nearly valid, far from "the best we can do". The historic horrors in Oregon (and CA) are blithely ignored in Oregon (near total ignorance) , only now being talked about in California. Historic memory is one of the obligations of education.

Germany is honorably committed to making amends for its monstrous history...that's the core reason it's been so open to immigrants. Nations and states (including the Vatican, re the California missions) have moral obligations.

In New Mexico the biggest newspaper (we do read here) publishes relevant stories every week.

Take politics and moralizing to the soapbox; it doesn't belong in this thread.

jtk · Aug 3, 2019

Amoral photographers?

David A. Goldfarb · Aug 3, 2019

Before posting anything further, I recommend that folks think about making their posts relevant to the photographic question. As I’ve posted elsewhere, the moderators don’t have time to do surgery and edit individual posts, but also don’t like to throw out the good with the bad, if we can avoid it.

Genocide, politics, and so forth as general topics are best left to the soapbox.

But if you would like to recommend some particular location that is interesting for political or historical reasons and relates specifically to the original post, then that is more likely to be on topic. Likewise, if you would like to recommend avoiding some particular photographic location because it would impinge on some group’s cultural practice or desire to represent their own history, that also seems fair game.

jtk · Aug 3, 2019

Remembering one long-ago evening at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival makes wish I was better experienced photographing live theatre...https://www.osfashland.org/ ...

I'd love to live there, perhaps in a camper, for several months. Oregon is of course physically beautiful in many areas.

Vaughn · Aug 4, 2019

Last time I went to a play there was in the summer of 1972. Love's Labor Lost, if I have it right.

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