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I know that I should probably be working out my pension and investment details - I'm down to the last couple of years before I hit the finish line. But I've decided to focus on important things instead - like my perfect retirement travel camera kit.

I've narrowed it down to my Fuji xPro-1 with an 18-55 XF lens for digital. I can always move to an xPro-2 at some point, but I like the one I have for now.

For film, I just bought a really nice M4-P. I'm thinking of adding either an m mount 50 or possibly a 35 ( probably Zeiss or Leica). With a nice slim adapter, can do double duty on the Fuji as well.

What I'm not too sure about is something longer. Has anyone ever used a 75 on a Leica M? I'd like a longer option. Mounted to the Fuji, I would get the 1.5 factor, which gives me quite a bit of flexibility. Just not sure if a 75 is really that useful on a Leica. If not, I may just swap out the 18-55, but I like that lens and if I add Fuji, I don't think I can (or would) adapt the other way around.

Appreciate hearing about anyone's experiences.
 

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The pre-retirement period (however much time you intend to put into it) is the time for you to reassess what works for you - cameras, films, processing, travel, other lifestyle, financials.

You appear to have already decided which camera(s) work for you, and are setting about acquiring them. Good one!

A Fuji xPro-1 with an 18-55 XF lens will let you cover a lot of travel mileage. It fits well into a small backpack, and with a bit of good planning you can even travel overseas with minimal baggage. Like a cabin bag. That is TRUE freedom.

Film cameras rate the same careful thinking, as you did before acquiring the M4P. In the last two years, I have gone back to my Nikkormats, which I've owned since the 1970s. Also my Contax G1s, which I bought from 2000 onward. So far the Nikkormats have it. In MF, I've also returned to the Rolleiflex and find I'm shooting more with a 3.5E2 I bought new in 1966. Truly beautiful images, different mindset entirely from working with the 35mm format and cameras.

This month I have been retired for five years (since August 2012). In that time I have played with all my cameras, decided on the ones I wanted to keep, and have either sold off or am selling off the others. Minimalism is the way to go. For me.

Everyone's mileage differs. You may eventually find 4x5 shooting to be more your style (excellent for reflective imagery, not so good for street candids). Or like someone I know, you can return to P&S shooting and go happily walkabout around the world with an Olympus Trip and a bag of film. Your choice.

You may or may not have read my older thread on retirement, film photography and travel. Please feel free to read it and join us there if you want. A lot of good info and tips there about thinking, planning and activating your 'escape' from the workplace, also other directly related matters, all from APUG folks who are there and know how it is. We hope to see you there with us!

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
 

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I can't give advice specific to the Leica lenses, as I have Bessa R2 cameras (which have the Leica M mounts) and Bessa lenses. I have both the 75mm f/2.5 and 90mm. The 75 is quite a bit smaller, if that matters to you. Also have 35mm and 50mm and would like to get a 28mm.

As to usefulness of the 75 mm--if you go for a 35mm and want a 2-lens kit, the 75 probably makes more sense, since it's about double the 35mm lens focal length. If you go for the 50mm lens, the 90 might make more sense.

Perhaps more useful is what do you photograph? If you like to take head & shoulder portraits, it's hard to beat 90 mm. But for 3/4 length portraits or even full-length portraits you might find that 75mm works better, as you don't have to get as far from your subject. Neither lens is really long enough for landscape telephoto work to really bring the image in close, but would be better at that on the digital.

Personally, if I had to have just one lens for a rangefinder, I'd probably prefer 35mm. But having not had the money to spend on lots of lenses early in my photography experience I often just had a single 50mm lens for 35mm work. And that's OK, too.
 

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Retired in 2015, just bought a new 11x14 to take in the van with my 8x10 and maybe my 5x7. I printed all day today (12hrs, including nap) and I'm just about ready to hang up the last of 30+ platinum prints to dry -- 2 1/4" sq. prints from TLRs. Retirement has me confused. Sure glad I did not plan for it -- I would have messed it up.
 

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ozmoose, I get a "not found" error message on your link.
Try this one: (there was a url link here which no longer exists)
 

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One thing that I did was to build an Olympus OM kit, to replace my Nikons when the Nikons get too heavy for me to haul around.
And beyond that, as was said, I can always fall back on the P&S.

I plan to finally get some more use out of my 4x5 view camera and my 6x6.

Basically, I am unlocking from the restrictions of when I was working to get into formats that I did not have the time to dabble with, but always had my interest.

Next step, to build my darkroom, so that I can print.
My 4x5 enlargers are waiting for a place to be set up.
 

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I know that I should probably be working out my pension and investment details - I'm down to the last couple of years before I hit the finish line. But I've decided to focus on important things instead - like my perfect retirement travel camera kit.

I've narrowed it down to my Fuji xPro-1 with an 18-55 XF lens for digital. I can always move to an xPro-2 at some point, but I like the one I have for now.

For film, I just bought a really nice M4-P. I'm thinking of adding either an m mount 50 or possibly a 35 ( probably Zeiss or Leica). With a nice slim adapter, can do double duty on the Fuji as well.

What I'm not too sure about is something longer. Has anyone ever used a 75 on a Leica M? I'd like a longer option. Mounted to the Fuji, I would get the 1.5 factor, which gives me quite a bit of flexibility. Just not sure if a 75 is really that useful on a Leica. If not, I may just swap out the 18-55, but I like that lens and if I add Fuji, I don't think I can (or would) adapt the other way around.

Appreciate hearing about anyone's experiences.
making plans is one way to make God laugh.
 

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I am having a "wrong side of the bed" day... Many thanks, mattking (#7), for posting the correct link to retirement, travel and photography.

We now have TWO good threads to play with and post on - s'good.

ac12, you have more than enough photographic plans and projects to keep you going til ninety at least.
 

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I retired twelve years ago and as far photographic gear is concerned I didn't do any special planning or make any particular purchases for the event. Since I retired I have disposed of more cameras and lenses than I have acquired in an attempt to rationalize my equipment.
 

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As my girlfriend says so well, "You have spent your career buying things that other people wanted or needed. This is your time now. Now is the time to buy those things that you always wanted. If you want it and you will use it and it will make you happy, then buy it. You do not have to ask for permission or approval from anyone."
 

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The best laid plans o' mice and men - and a' that.

According to my plan, I'd still be working. But after chemo and a single digit prognosis I decided to quit and empty my film freezer if I can. I've done my best to use a film a day, but I'm actually averaging 3-4 per week. I've sold two FM3a bodies, and all my manual Nikon lenses, and a Fuji GA645 Pro, along with all my Leica digital and film bodies and lenses save for an M2 and three lenses (35, 50, 90). On the other hand, I have bought a second F6, two OM-2ns, a range of Zuiko lenses, some more Pentax lenses and now I'm into Leica R lenses and an R9 (no one wanted to buy my range of Visoflex lenses, so an adaptor and an R body make some kind of sense). Did I mention the Chamonix 4x5 and 10x8 plus several lenses along the way? Since I'm living on my savings I really ought to sell some stuff. As long as my 'eternity leave' coincides with the last roll of film from the freezer (and maybe the first cheque that bounces) I'll be happy. One good side effect in using so much film and developer in such a hurry is that I have the opportunity to learn things that might not be obvious to a more casual user. Things like half a minute more for this film in this developer looks better.
A side note: 27 years ago I bought the first model of Mazda Miata and used it lightly and carefully in the summers. When my practice partner moved away in 2001 as he found it too busy, I was left with his patients as well as my own. So the Miata languished in my office basement this last 15 years, but with an awful lot of new parts she has emerged this summer. 27 years old and only 31k km on the clock. My plan is to take her round the Cabot Trail in October when the fall colours are out, and take the R9 with a 28 and a 90 (no room for more as there is a wife and her stuff occupying half the very limited space available). Beyond developing those films, I have no plans. It's best to make short term plans and suffer no disappointments.
The moral of the tale is do it whilst you can!
 

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ac12 wrote: "... to replace my Nikons when the Nikons get too heavy for me to haul around".

This hit home. In the past year (I'll turn 70 in December) I've found my energy levels have gone down, so far noticeable mostly when I get up in the mornings, and potter about half-conscious for an hour, also how much coffee it takes to get me functioning. (Partner is not at all sympatico, says "you've always been like that!" to which I mentally beg to differ, but in the interests of domestic peace and harmony I opt to not dignify this blatant truth with a reply.)

As well, lugging a heavy camera kit or even two medium suitcases when I travel now takes more out of me than it did even in 2016. So I compromise. My Nikon D700 has also gained weight and my Nikkormat ELs seem to have Portland cement in their bases. To compromise on all that, I too pare my camera travel kit down to at most two lenses, and I can see the day not far down life's track when it will be one small camera, one lens only.

Sirius Glass, you have a wonderful partner and I'm sure you know this and remind her of this often. If not, please do... Mine is the same, and is told this joyful truth regularly, notably so when I come home from one of my journeys to find a Tassie dinner - fresh salmon, Ceasar salad, vegetables, a cold Hendrick's gin martini ready and waiting and a local Pinot airing on the sideboard - ready and waiting. Of such pleasures small and great, is a truly good life.

drmoss_ca, I believe you made the right decision, and I hope your life changes will add many happy years to your life. Like ac12, you also are going minimalist with an M2 kit. I am still working at this, and selling off cameras and other gear from my stash as I go. My plan is sell two or even three to buy one, which doesn't stress household finances but lets you get new toys to play with. You have an M2, ac12 an M4P, and I (well, my partner) an M3 kit. True happiness lies in old Leicas! I make do with one (actually, four) Contax G1s and a 21, 28, 35, 45 and 90 kit (I mostly use the 28, the 45 and 90 occasionally, now and then the 21, and the excellent but neglected Planar 35 f/2, almost never. I'll take that 35 out this week to shoot in the streets around Salamanca (the old port) in Hobart.

I've traveled the Cabot Trail five times, first in 1961 (with a Kodak 616 Brownie), last in 2006 (with enough gear to stock a small photo store). You will find scenery there (if you will excuse my writing it this way) to die for.

Like crmoss_ca, I had two Fuji GA645s, one 'i' with the 60mm lens, and one 'wi' (the wide-angle with the 45mm). I sold them both. Concerns with the electronics given their age, a change in my shooting plans and styles, and the desire to cut down the camera stash were my reasons. I particularly miss the wi and if one in good condition and at a reasonable price (they are now way out of my budget) were to come my way, well... Until then, if ever, I'll make do with Rollei TLRs and Voigtlander Perkeo or a Zeiss Nettar 6x9 if I want some bigger film real estate to print from.

Living on savings can be a challenge, but there are positives. With some lateral thinking, you can get by very well, and it can make you realise that after you eliminate the "un-necessities" from your budget, how little we really need for a quality life. My seat-of-the-pants travels in Asia are done on a low budget. We can all do it. If we want to. It's all about creative decision making and lateral mindsets, the latter meaning you don't have to go without if you look for alternatives, which there always are.

May I end my (as usual much too-long) post with another quote from you? "Beyond developing those films, I have no plans. It's best to make short term plans and suffer no disappointments. ... The moral of the tale is do it whilst you can!"

That is the most apt comment I've read so far in this thread.

The modern Buddhists I know have a fine way of putting what you said into a two-word sentence. "Sh*t happens."

ac12 and crmoss_ca, also all the others, I hope you will post again, you have so much to share with us.
 
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We plan one or two big trips a year and smaller excursions every other month. Plus we go off roading when we can find others to go with because it is not safe to go off road with only one vehicle. Plus we each have grandchildren. We appreciate each others interests and encourage them.
 

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making plans is one way to make God laugh.

An old Yiddish saying (in English): “Man Plans, and God Laughs.” But like many of these sayings, they appear in many cultures.
 

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One retires with income, not age. My plan is to work until I die.
 
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How well, I know the feeling, DRMoss. I'll be 68 next weel and most photo gear feels like a lead brick. Oh, well. My son is one helluva photographer who travels the world. I've made a list of all my gear and told him when I'm gone, it's his. I'm simply feeling my age. But it's been a great show and it may be nearing the finish line, but I ain't history just yet.
 

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Talbert (#19), a Nikkormat (or your preferred SLR) with a 35/2 can be a powerful combo. I'm currently playing with this now on one of a series of bush walks around north-central Tasmania. In my backpack are an 85/2 and a 24/2.8. Also ten rolls of film. The lot is eminently, well, carryable.

At almost 70 (December), I'm finding that minimalist thinking can be a blessing. Several huge clean-up and disposal projects at home are in the works. More stuff will go on Ebay soon. Sixty boxes of 8x10 enlarging paper in my (very big) darkroom fridge - do I need all that? So it will all go, also the fridge, soon. Goodbye to all that...

We have no children but there are nephews and nieces in Malaysia who have a keen eye on my photo gear. Unfortunately (for them), they all asked "how much is it worth?" and they weren't thinking about insurance, so I've told them, "watch Ebay for the prices, that's where I'll be selling it!".

Good to know you haven't made the school history texts yet. Never forget the famous old saying, when you're retired and (even reasonably) healthy, every day is Christmas.
 

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The best laid plans o' mice and men - and a' that.

...A side note: 27 years ago I bought the first model of Mazda Miata and used it lightly and carefully in the summers...

Ah, yes, my favorite care. I'm driving my second one these days.
 
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Talbert (#19), a Nikkormat (or your preferred SLR) with a 35/2 can be a powerful combo. I'm currently playing with this now on one of a series of bush walks around north-central Tasmania. In my backpack are an 85/2 and a 24/2.8. Also ten rolls of film. The lot is eminently, well, carryable.

At almost 70 (December), I'm finding that minimalist thinking can be a blessing. Several huge clean-up and disposal projects at home are in the works. More stuff will go on Ebay soon. Sixty boxes of 8x10 enlarging paper in my (very big) darkroom fridge - do I need all that? So it will all go, also the fridge, soon. Goodbye to all that...

We have no children but there are nephews and nieces in Malaysia who have a keen eye on my photo gear. Unfortunately (for them), they all asked "how much is it worth?" and they weren't thinking about insurance, so I've told them, "watch Ebay for the prices, that's where I'll be selling it!".

Good to know you haven't made the school history texts yet. Never forget the famous old saying, when you're retired and (even reasonably) healthy, every day is Christmas.
You got that right! I can still wind the shutter and flip the switch!
 

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I'm nearing retirement and coming to my senses. I will never give up the hobby, always shoot film, but also digital. I've learned never to sell any equipment that I will later regret nor pack any in my truck that will never be used. Since the quality of my digital equipment greatly exceeds 35mm film I have chosen to only shoot medium format film and full frame digital. My subject matter and location will dictate which camera system I grab for as will my mood. I'll still shoot 35mm film for fun now and then but with no great expectations. I recently repurposed an older DSLR and had it modified to IR, it turned out to be a wonderful decision, it means no more tripod for IR and my results are much better than IR film (even 120). Keep an open mind for your retirement, shoot the equipment and media you enjoy. If there is a piece of equipment that you've always wanted, buy it now and use it while you can. Life keeps getting shorter.
Rick
 

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I retired just a little more than a month and a half ago. Now I am making other plans, business and otherwise, hopefully including a little more photography.
 

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I think the best retirement plan would be to not retire. I retired 3 years ago because of an age limitation in my career field. The time since has been more stressful than the worst day at work ever was. My pension is inadequate. (No, really! it is!) Lifestyle (huh? what lifestyle???) is not the issue. I'm just trying to survive! I'm negotiating with my mortgage company on how I can possibly keep my house. The utility bills keep coming and must be paid... Somehow. So I go and sell another item that I've treasured. My pawn shop knows me personally. Every day is a challenge. Employers won't even talk to me at my age (61). All they see is gray hair and liability.

If I'd had my choice, I would have worked until 65 or whatever the optimum social security age is (yes, I'm in the U.S.) or at least long enough to plump up my pension and fatten my 401k and maybe straighten my head out. Well, good luck with the last bit. But I must say the life I lead in retirement does not allow for a trip to the beach, much less international travel. Forget photo expeditions.

But man, if you are in a paying job and you don't have to leave it, WHY would you??

Respectfully,
 
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