Replacement for Kodak Panalure?

samcomet · Aug 29, 2016

Does anyone know of a contemporary replacement B&W paper for the old and wonderful Kodak Panalure? Or can anyone advise some "do's and don't's" for printing colour neg on todays B&W papers? Thanks in anticipation & cheers! Sam

Photo Engineer · Aug 29, 2016

Don't use a VC paper.

PE

samcomet · Aug 30, 2016

Thanks PE,

I would have bet the farm that you would have come up with a bit of help on this!

cheers!
Sam

AgX · Aug 30, 2016

Ilford Galerie Digital Silver is the only alternative today. Only available in rolls.

pentaxuser · Aug 30, 2016

AgX said:
Ilford Galerie Digital Silver is the only alternative today. Only available in rolls.

Just as a matter of interest does anyone know what the exposure time is likely to be with this paper and a normal enlarger light source?

If it can be brought into the normal or near normal range of exposures of VCMG paper designed for optical printing then this may well be a practical alternative to Panalure. I take it that it needs cutting, exposing and developing in total darkness or would a DUKA light be OK as it is for RA4?

Thanks

pentaxuser

Ko.Fe. · Aug 30, 2016

I purchased this old Panalure to try couple of months age. Still printable, but I printed from ECN-2 (I don't know if it is still count for the color negative) on old Ilford RC MG paper.

darkroommike · Aug 30, 2016

Photo Engineer said:
Don't use a VC paper.

PE

Does anybody have a recommendation for something I could use other than Multigrade (which Ilford does recommend)? A panchromatic B&W paper, preferably 3 grades and on both FB and RC bases? I used a couple of 250 sheet boxes a year of Panalure II RC when it was still in production, and loved the Panalure Select (three grades!) for the short time it was available. My need for this material would be much more modest now that I'm not printing wallets for yearbooks but I'd still buy a box of each grade (if available).

I've tried Multigrade with a 3.5 filter and while it does sort of, kind of, work it is not optimal. But what else is there?

Mainecoonmaniac · Aug 30, 2016

I haven't seen panchromatic paper in over a decade. I know this is a cludge, but how about making a color print from the neg then shoot the print on BW film?

darkroommike · Aug 30, 2016

Mainecoonmaniac said:
I haven't seen panchromatic paper in over a decade. I know this is a cludge, but how about making a color print from the neg then shoot the print on BW film?

As far as that goes you could make an interpositive on black and white film and then make a negative and then make a print but that's many generations away from the original.

bvy · Aug 30, 2016

darkroommike said:
As far as that goes you could make an interpositive on black and white film and then make a negative and then make a print but that's many generations away from the original.

Further, you could enlarge to black and white sheet film, reverse process it, and contact print it.

Bob Carnie · Aug 30, 2016

pentaxuser said:
Just as a matter of interest does anyone know what the exposure time is likely to be with this paper and a normal enlarger light source?

If it can be brought into the normal or near normal range of exposures of VCMG paper designed for optical printing then this may well be a practical alternative to Panalure. I take it that it needs cutting, exposing and developing in total darkness or would a DUKA light be OK as it is for RA4?

Thanks

pentaxuser

I use this paper with my laser image setter.

The paper is a grade 4 with a bit of extra red sensitivity.
Needs to be worked with in total darkness.
exhibits fantastic blacks to white tonal range.
Is identical to any black white paper you have used before.

I have never used it with a colour negative, only have used it with digital files that are converted
to black and white.

my website will be featuring it these coming months as we will be pushing it very hard.

AgX · Aug 30, 2016

Mike, I did hint at a panchromatic paper.

MattKing · Aug 30, 2016

AgX said:
Ilford Galerie Digital Silver is the only alternative today. Only available in rolls.

This paper is designed for laser exposure from digital files (the way that Bob Carnie is using it).

This means it is optimized for really bright, really short exposures.

Back in the day, Simon Galley posted that it was not designed for enlarger/optical exposure. IIRC, some people have tried it and expressed satisfaction.

If you want to try it out, Photo Warehouse cuts it into sheets and sells it in packages of 100: http://www.ultrafineonline.com/ilrcdibwpafo1.html

adelorenzo · Aug 30, 2016

I've made some nice prints using Portra 400 6x4.5 negatives and Kentmere Glossy VC paper. I printed without any filtration and it seemed to work out pretty well. I would imagine it would work better for some negatives than others.

I'll try to remember to post a couple of images tonight.

pentaxuser · Aug 30, 2016

MattKing said:
This means it is optimized for really bright, really short exposures.

IIRC, some people have tried it and expressed satisfaction.

If you want to try it out, Photo Warehouse cuts it into sheets and sells it in packages of 100: http://www.ultrafineonline.com/ilrcdibwpafo1.html

Some useful answers here for the OP from several posters. I hope that those who have used it under an optical enlarger will contribute by mentioning exposure times and f stops.

It would appear that unlike RA4 paper it has to be handled in total darkness which does make it less convenient. Could someone say why it cannot be handled under a sodium light like the DUKA? Does this mean that the original Panalure could not be handled under a DUKA or similar sodium light?

Thanks

pentaxuser

AgX · Aug 30, 2016

pentaxuser said:
Could someone say why it cannot be handled under a sodium light like the DUKA? Does this mean that the original Panalure could not be handled under a DUKA or similar sodium light?

Colour print materials do not need a continous spectral sensitivity, to the contrary, their sensitivity best is tuned for the dyes of the first stage.
This yields a sensitivity gaop to be used for monochromatic lab-lighting

That Ilford panchromatic paper does not need continuous sensitivity either, but requirements for bands do not exist thus it is technically easier for it to just yield the necessary peaks.

samcomet · Aug 30, 2016

samcomet said:
Does anyone know of a contemporary replacement B&W paper for the old and wonderful Kodak Panalure? Or can anyone advise some "do's and don't's" for printing colour neg on todays B&W papers? Thanks in anticipation & cheers! Sam

To all those who have replied, may I say a BIG thank you!!!! Some great thoughts about the Gallerie Digital Silver from AgX and Matt King and also all of you (too numerous to mention) who have suggested work arounds, AND what NOT to do from PE. Had always had it in the back of my head to do this with my Duplikin copier and Scala, but alas Scala is no more. I don't want to go too many generations down the track with an interneg so I'll keep on monitoring this thread for more ideas, should they arise, but I may just potter around with some non-VG high-con papers. So for now thanks & cheers to all! Sam

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