Release of Nikon mirrorless and demand for old MF lens

EdSawyer · Aug 24, 2018

as mentioned, mirrorless adapters have been out for a long time for other brands, so any effect on vintage lenses is already priced in.

re: Fast autofocus lenses, Canon is the master of that, with their legendary 50/1.0L EF lens.

Huss · Aug 24, 2018

Eric Rose said:
That's right the thread was about the value of old analog type lenses and how their value might be affected by new cameras.

Get over it.

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Eric Rose · Aug 24, 2018

As Matt mentioned I was only trying to alert people who may be interested in buying some older lenses their prices may suddenly take a jump. Sorry if we walked on your lawn.

mweintraub · Aug 24, 2018

Huss said:
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There's always this.. unless an admin days differently.

Ai Print · Aug 24, 2018

Eric Rose said:
As Matt mentioned I was only trying to alert people who may be interested in buying some older lenses their prices may suddenly take a jump. Sorry if we walked on your lawn.

I think the topic is a good one and has a valid place in where you posted it in some form.

Unfortunately I think we all are expected to be a lot more cryptic about how we word it to appeal to both the rules of engagement as set forth by the admin and the expectation of that by the membership. The obvious reason for this is the tendency for it to go off the rails as instigated by those who can't seem to resist sharing their objection towards the "other" photographic medium.

Theo Sulphate · Aug 24, 2018

Maybe I'm crazy, but I really like the old pre-AI Nikkor primes - I have them from 28mm to 300mm, plus the 500mm f/8 reflex Nikkor. I make good use of all of them every year, throughout the year.

I don't see the price of these ancient lenses going up ever.

About the only new-to-me Nikon lens I would buy today would be an old 200/5.6 Medical Nikkor (from 1972) - just because I think it's cool and I could get great illuminated closeups. I do have a PB-4 which I have yet to use, but I have recently used a PK-13 with my 55/2.8 AIS Micro-Nikkor for some great closeup shots.

So... some of us enjoy living in the 1970's (although I do keep pace with digital photography developments).

Eric Rose · Aug 24, 2018

I have a boat load of old Nikkor glass. Plus some newer stuff. I love them for still work and the other stuff that is forbidden to mention.

Ai Print · Aug 24, 2018

Eric Rose said:
I have a boat load of old Nikkor glass. Plus some newer stuff. I love them for still work and the other stuff that is forbidden to mention.

I am picking up a few that I owned in years gone by just for telling my own personal journey in the years to come. Besides that, they often render beautifully, regardless of what you slap them on.

TheRook · Aug 25, 2018

alentine said:
First look video https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/promotion/14450/oarthur.html?utm_medium=Email 1689505&utm_campaign=NewAnnouncement&utm_source=Nikon 180823&utm_content=Retail&utm_term=nikon-z7-promo&encEmail=8A992293371160F75BF9CA9C7F1D72AA41F840BCE3A3E0F529273CB5CB835DAD
It's not that small !

True.
Plus, if you add the adapter, the lens will feel bigger too!

Ko.Fe. · Aug 25, 2018

Digital talks aren't smart in film forum. Hello, MF lenses were adapted on mirrorless for more than one decade already. Including Canonikon oldies.
So the fear mongering is at least ten years old. By now Chinese and other manufacturers makes affordable MF glass for mirrorless. I'd rather buy thier glass, to be honest.

alentine · Aug 25, 2018

There is no mirror component in FTZ adapter as far as I understand from this review:
https://www.dpreview.com/news/38083...se-over-360-f-mount-lenses-on-z-series-bodies

benjiboy · Aug 25, 2018

This a purely an analogue thread, tell someone who shoots digital because I couldn't be less interested.

Ai Print · Aug 25, 2018

benjiboy said:
This a purely an analogue thread,

If that were true it would be either typeset or hand written. Sometimes the irony and hipocracy of this place is just comical.

benjiboy · Aug 25, 2018

Some people can be deliberately obtuse everyone is aware that the internet is a digital medium, but this thread of this forum is specifically to discuss analogue photography there are other threads on Photrio to discuss digital matters.

knj · Aug 25, 2018

RattyMouse said:
Sony has already done this with their A7 and now A9 cameras. That really released the digital crowd to go all in on old lenses. I doubt Nikon's release will have much effect for several years.

jtk · Aug 25, 2018

benjiboy said:
Some people can be deliberately obtuse everyone is aware that the internet is a digital medium, but this thread of this forum is specifically to discuss analogue photography there are other threads on Photrio to discuss digital matters.

Here's the specific title of this thread,

Note that it's "35mm Cameras and Accessories" not only analog. Full frame and half frame digital cameras are 35mm format.

As well, the topic includes "mirrorless," which applies specifically to digital reflex cameras...not at all to film cameras.

This is especially relevant now because of August's release of Nikon's first mirrorless, interchangable lens digital full frame reflex camera.

Release of Nikon mirrorless and demand for old MF lens

Discussion in '35mm Cameras and Accessories' started by Eric Rose, Wednesday at 9:10 PM.

jtk · Aug 25, 2018

I think Nikon's new release will kill Sony in the full frame digital video market and it will directly compete with Canon's newest entry into that market, which it already dominates Vs Sony (despite Sony's past technical advantages in video it's still behind Canon there).

Nikon will sell a boatload of these cameras...pros can easily afford them, if only for tax deduction reasons, and they will believe they HAVE TO HAVE them to compete with digital Hasselblads et al.

Just my speculation, of course

Les Sarile · Aug 25, 2018

Ko.Fe. said:
Digital talks aren't smart in film forum. Hello, MF lenses were adapted on mirrorless for more than one decade already. Including Canonikon oldies.
So the fear mongering is at least ten years old. By now Chinese and other manufacturers makes affordable MF glass for mirrorless. I'd rather buy thier glass, to be honest.

Definitely more than one decade as the Olympus Pens had adapters for practically all other lens mounts back in the day . . .

alentine · Aug 26, 2018

Nikon(like Canon) is relying on the bored nature of digital practitioners from their tools. Soon they need(or want) to change for better look and to avoid being lagging from the herd, it's the same trend since started 15 or so years. They already have the latest Nikon AFS Nikkors and every thing made easy to them to decide for getting the newer mirrorless body.
Plus, potential emigrant customers to Sony.
Sony, and much earlier, provided the best designs/sizes digital camera bodies for its customers, while at the same time Canon/Nikon continued re-building Film Style Tank size digital cameras.
Photographer who own old Nikon SLR lenses, will not be attracted by the 24MP Z6, I think.
But, Nikon Z7, is too much pricey to be justified for old Nikon SLR lenses, alone.
Nikon expectations is not stupid, just simple studying the herd buying behaviorism since 15 years, I think most owners of Nikon DSLRs will also buy Nikon Z bodies.
Based on what's already provided/expected by Canon/Nikon, I do not think Sony customers and also immigrants to Sony customers, will think to comeback to Canon/Nikon.

vsyrek1945 · Aug 26, 2018

michr said:
I struggle to nail focus without Nikon's "digital rangefinder" focus assistance already. I can't imagine trying to get it right at f/0.95. But, that lens is already huge without autofocus. BTW, has any camera maker ever made an autofocus lens faster than f1.4?

Before the aforementioned 50mm f1.2L EF, Canon offered a 50mm f1.0 EF-L.

Berkeley Mike · Aug 28, 2018

I'd sell my old lenses to folks who think they are the grail, then invest in the new lenses. I have little doubt that these contemporary lenses are superior to the old ones in my quiver. And the adapter? A blob of translucent glass that steals light before it gets to my sensor. Yeah: right. I'd go with the new size and the benefits it gives, and the new lenses that will come.

lantau · Aug 28, 2018

Berkeley Mike said:
I'd sell my old lenses to folks who think they are the grail, then invest in the new lenses. I have little doubt that these contemporary lenses are superior to the old ones in my quiver. And the adapter? A blob of translucent glass that steals light before it gets to my sensor. Yeah: right. I'd go with the new size and the benefits it gives, and the new lenses that will come.

Why would there be optics in the adapter? All these adapters usually do is to restore the flange distance.

Berkeley Mike · Aug 28, 2018

I believe that it has to do with metering. Saw a vid on it, a sort of little screen on a stick to gather light. Sorry i cannot find it. Probably won't matter much but I have an inveterate distain for ANY kind of adapter for anything. Just the word makes me itch.

alentine · Aug 30, 2018

Berkeley Mike said:
And the adapter? A blob of translucent glass that steals light before it gets to my sensor. .

There is no glass in FTZ adapter as far as I know.

alentine · Aug 30, 2018

lantau said:
All these adapters usually do is to restore the flange distance.

In digital, all factors about processing digital image is counted, not jus Flange Focal distance.
It's not the electronic/mechanical compatibility that only counted, but also camera/lens computer software compatibility.
Digital lenses have more functions than a film SLR from 1990.

lantau said:
Why would there be optics in the adapter? .

No glass in FTZ adapter I believe so far!
Has been mentioned by a youtuber , but he did not prove it.

Alan Gales said:

Release of Nikon mirrorless and demand for old MF lens

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