Recommend a Photoshop book

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I have a good friend who is a very talented Cibachrome printer and is about to begin his venture into digital color work and Photoshop. Can anyone recommend a book that will help get him started and provide the kind of Photoshop info a "traditional" Photographer would want?

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I've always felt that the middle chapters of the Photoshop Artistry series by Barry Haynes were very good for those coming from a traditional background. I haven't seen the latest versions of these books but the earlier ones were great. There is a lot of extra stuff that may not be of interest but there are 7 or so chapters that really put it together.

Also, Photoshop Color Correction by Michael Kieran is an extraordinary book on that subject.
 

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Kerik,
Send a note to Bob Carnie, I think he has gone through the Photoshop experts and has a been able to separate the real from the side show freaks.
 

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One more for you Kerik - www.lynda.com costs $25 per month and has some very good on line training for all adobe products. The training is very good and very visual which is a very good way to learn about photoshop.

Depending on what your buddy needs, he may not need a full blown photoshop solution, but may be able to use something less expensive such as lightroom.
 

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One I use along side the afore mentioned Scott Kelby is Martin Evening's Adobe Photoshop for Photographers
 

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Kerik,
Send a note to Bob Carnie, I think he has gone through the Photoshop experts and has a been able to separate the real from the side show freaks.

JD,
He's a big fan of Dan Margulis. Dan, who may be right, is also crazy. I mean that in the nicest way. He does a lot with the LAB color space... and much of what he does is understood by few.

There are questions, such as what penalty is there switching back and forth from RGB to LAB and back. I don't presume to suggest an answer - I have heard convincing arguments from both sides.

I like Amadou Diallo's book. I also think Deke McClelland is pretty great - I'd try deke.com...

Lenny
 

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Check out books by Martin Evening you can't go wrong. "Photoshop CS4 for Photographers" is easy to follow and loaded with information and first class illustrations.
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Dan Margulis's books are great, but not for beginners. Real World Photoshop is a good place to start. kelbytraining.com is also a very good resource, well-worth the subscription cost.
 

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As far as books are concerned , I found that obtaining quite a few selections and then spending a year reading and playing around on the same topic, but using different authors approach helpful.
Katrin Eisman *sp* is outstanding
Kelby Training at $19 per month is worth every penny

I met with Katrin, at her offices in SVA New York , after about a year into the various books, She spent a day with me de mystifying a lot of stuff floating around in my mind.
A year later I took another two days with her , specifically on Lightroom,

Dan Margulis... What can I say, he teaches here in Toronto so I signed up for the beginning , advance Photoshop DPA offers , that are mandatory before you take one of his courses. Basically taught by knobs trying to convince me how to use a marquee tool to put a apple over a sunflower over a sky.
Total horseshit but I had to do it to get to Dan.

In total I took 4 three day sessions with Dan three in Toronto and one in Chicago , each day 12-15 hours of total hell, frustration and very little mercy by Dan and the other students.
He will talk for 1-2hours then make you work on 4 images and apply what he talked about.
Then all images were pitted one against the other and he was merciless in his critique.
I would not advise anyone to take his courses unless you have a very, very thick skin.
No plug ins, no selections, just plain out curves, sharpening, contrast control through channels and other devious methods too long to mention.
Lots of RGB, CMYK, LAb movements and channel work.
I have his books and they are a hard read and quite frankly unless one really needs to know this shit I think working in Lightroom is advised .

He takes you way farther than where you want to go, If you believe all his movements will help, then one is mistaken as some methods do not work for my digital workflow.
I am still trying to catch up with this amazing man and I never will.


We do use the three modes in moderation daily, and for specific reasons way to numerous to mention.

Through our workshop I am now preparing a series of PS day and weekend series that simply take one through the 5-12 steps to make a good image, breaking it down into moduals,
Scott Kelby does this with his 7 step method , and I intend to mimic some of his teachings for our workshop.

Things to look at that are important to all the teachers and books I have read.


1. Colour Theory,, understand the colour wheel, Additive Subractive
2. Colour Management.. understand how PS needs to keep everything in control*** very difficult, and not very well defined area **
3. Colour nuetralization.. I prefer curves , others use lightroom,camera raw white balance, others use levels
4. Building image weight through channels and apply image.
5. mode change to Lab for contrast control, dodge burn with blending modes, sharpening in Lab, splitting colours in Lab.
6. mode change to RGB for final colour , density tweaking.

I have made many high rez, glossy maginfications of files from RGB - LAB-RGB and can confirm as Margulis will state the there is no image loss.

LAB is a huge colour space , much more than its cousin RGB and even more so than the smallest cousing CMYK.
Therefore moving into LAB is not problematic, but be warned making moves in LAB can be very destructive if you are not careful.Much like using a sledge hammer to put in a finishing nail.

I figure in about five years and 50thousand images in my belt I will have a better handle on this process.
There is no definitive book, but rather hundreds that give good info.

It is up to the photographer to work on 20 images today and make decent prints

one year from now take the same 20 raw images and rework and make prints. after a year of study.
Its funny how the second round look better.
 

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my eyes and brain are in freeze mode just reading the above response.
 
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Ann, don't worry. It'll be worse if you ever meet Bob in person.

Thanks for all the feedback. I'm sure my buddy will run screaming back to Cibachrome ASAP.
 

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ah, gosh, and he seemed so "normal" over on apug.
 
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