Really upset... 100D discontinued

jm94 · Dec 12, 2012

Over at the 8mm forum http://8mmforum.film-tech.com (i cannot seem to get the link to appear, its a new topic)

100D discontinued in all formats, and vision 50 coming to super-8. I was sure but didn't want to believe once they axed their e6 35mm it meant 100D was going off stocks in warehouses...

I can shoot negative and have a positive print at andec, but the cost is too high for alot of what I shoot, and i like to process at home!! Velvia 50D is available loaded, but impossible to source in the UK easily and the cost is high! Hopefully someone from the likes of ADOX could bring out a reversal super-8 even respooled, like they did their new B/W one.

Please someone debunk this!

Jacob

AgX · Dec 12, 2012

I read the official statement by Kodak Germany. All Ektachrome 100D cine film is cancelled, stock is believed to last some months.

Reversal colour-film converted to Super-8 and Single-8 will still be available from small gauge suppliers as long as there will be reversal colour-film.

jm94 · Dec 12, 2012

The problem is many of these at present, although I am sure this will change is they are hard to source in the UK.
Hopefully this will change. I am gutted!

EDIT: http://motion.kodak.com/motion/About/The_Storyboard/4294970514/index.htm

MDR · Dec 12, 2012

As AgX said it's unfortunately true lack of costumers is stated as reason. I have to say that I am not astonished about this since most Super 8 productions use negative film. Respooled Velvia seems currently to be the only alternative to 100D, if the film is hard to get in the UK look no further than Germany Wittner Kinotechnik and Cinevia sell the film in their online shop.

moviemaniac · Dec 12, 2012

Now that they've left pretty much all amateur filmers hanging and the last "official" colour reversal emulsion in Super8 is gone I'm so pi**** at them I'll use up all my remaining stock of Portras and Ektars and Tri-Xs and then switch to Fuji and Ilford (well, I mostly shoot Ilford for b&w anyway) for still films and repackaged Velvia 50 for Super8. Kodak doesn't care about me and all the others they're abandoning - fine, I'll do the same.

wildbill · Dec 12, 2012

moviemaniac said:
Now that they've left pretty much all amateur filmers hanging and the last "official" colour reversal emulsion in Super8 is gone I'm so pi**** at them I'll use up all my remaining stock of Portras and Ektars and Tri-Xs and then switch to Fuji and Ilford (well, I mostly shoot Ilford for b&w anyway) for still films and repackaged Velvia 50 for Super8. Kodak doesn't care about me and all the others they're abandoning - fine, I'll do the same.

You'll show them for not providing a product when there's lack of demand! Next it'll be "f*cking fuji, they stopped making e6 film!"

moviemaniac · Dec 12, 2012

Well... I don't know how often I had this conversation this year: "Oh really, you can still by film? (insert Color negative, b&w, Super8 here) I didn't know that. How cool, where can I get some?" Or "I thought Kodak went bankrupt, they're still around making film?" - in short: There would be more demand if the mainstream didn't believe film was extinct - part of the reason for that is that film companies stopped advertising film a decade ago. They gave up to digital without even the slightest hint of resistance when both could an can coexist in peace. Lack of demand is therefore to some degree their own fault and the few that stayed true and continued using film are the ones who have to feel the consequences for these decisions.

You know, Kodak tells us on their sites how much film matters, in the last months we've seen statements on their commitment to film - Dead Link Removed when in reality the last master rolls probably have been made a long time ago and they should've known for (at least) months that E100D would go away. And yet they waited until the very last minute - with only three months of stock remaining - that they're discontinuing it. That's the kind of communication practice I really don't like. Ilford and Simon Galley could teach Kodak a lesson or two in that regard.

jm94 · Dec 12, 2012

Hopefully ADOX can step in, they have the slitter machines required, to respool from large master rolls of say, Fuji stock?

I am going to try and contact them myself and see what can be done with regards to that... They are making a black and white reversal stock after all.

moviemaniac · Dec 12, 2012

There are already companies packaging Velvia 50 in S8 cartridges - GK Film and Wittner in Germany are only two I know of. It's gonna be a good day for Fuji because repackaged Velvia 50 is currently the only colour reversal film left in S8 (now that E100D will soon be gone) and since people wanting to shoot this type of film don't have any alternative Fuji will see increased sales of their Velvia material. Maybe this increasing demand is even going to help Velvia stay around, who knows. Even one more reason for me to support and buy Fuji's products.

AgX · Dec 12, 2012

Adox is neither hero nor last hope.
There are several companies involved in supplying cine materials for niche markets. Even much longer than Adox.
The only thing different with Adox is that on long term they try to offer the full package. However they can't do so on their own, if ever they could. They need assistance of that very industry that is being bashed on here at Apug...

jm94 · Dec 12, 2012

Yeah it might, having velvia 50 or even 400X packaged in super 8 cartridges is a good option, but we need one that is viable for dealers in the UK to import, here in the UK only kodak stocks have been available, up to this point, the widescreen centre is going to figure out a way of filling the gap, as are a couple of smaller businesses i have talked to, notably Kev from gauge film, whom I order all my 100D from usually. I passed on links you provided AgX to a couple of smaller businesses as a starting point.

Jacob

MDR · Dec 12, 2012

The sad thing is that the film is not only discontinued in small sizes but also in 16 & 35mm and that at time were Fujifilm killed their MP-Lineup. So basically it's bye bye to Color Reversal film in the pro motion picture market.
Nobody should blame Kodak after all Fuji gave the MP-Film world a big F**ck you a few months ago and Kodak still offers Super 8 and other Films.

Dominik

Noble · Dec 12, 2012

moviemaniac said:
Well... I don't know how often I had this conversation this year: "Oh really, you can still by film? (insert Color negative, b&w, Super8 here) I didn't know that. How cool, where can I get some?" Or "I thought Kodak went bankrupt, they're still around making film?" - in short: There would be more demand if the mainstream didn't believe film was extinct - part of the reason for that is that film companies stopped advertising film a decade ago. They gave up to digital without even the slightest hint of resistance when both could an can coexist in peace. Lack of demand is therefore to some degree their own fault and the few that stayed true and continued using film are the ones who have to feel the consequences for these decisions.

I'm so immersed in the film world that it always startles me when a gray balding well to do nicely dressed gentleman says, "oh really, you can still buy film?" The last guy that said that at least was aware B&W film was till available. Unfortunately he thought that was all there was because his only interface with the film world was some photography students that worked on one of his large industrial properties. That was the thought process. He saw some students using B&W so he assumed that's all there was. I'm sure if all he saw was some lomography stuff he would assume that's all that was left.

Anyway I politely told the guy, no there is tons of stuff out there B&W, C-41, E-6, medium format, 8x10, Infrared... I mentioned I had a bunch of my stuff in my freezer. Eyes like saucers... YOU CAN FREEZE FILM?! Yes, sir. You can freeze it. CAN YOU KEEP IT FOREVER?! Mmmm.... no. Something about background radiation that still penetrates the fridge. But it'll keep for years. I then excused myself and went and took some pictures.

frobozz · Dec 13, 2012

Well, I just ordered my last 35mm x 400' roll ever of 100D direct from Kodak. Next time I can afford to buy another roll, it won't be there any more :-(

Duncan

jm94 · Dec 13, 2012

That sucks If you shoot 35mm, could one order bulk rolls of say, Fuji reversal and shoot that? Would it still be a viable reversal option for 35mm shooters?

Jacob

frobozz · Dec 14, 2012

If you mean 35mm shooters as in movies, I don't think there really ever were too may of those (I'm ordering it for use as a still film.) I think a cinematographer or two convinced Kodak to make them some Ektachrome stock in 35mm with B&H perfs and Kodak went ahead and made a big batch of it to supply them and had a bunch left over. I never really saw much of an effort on their parts to market it, it just kind of sat in their catalog. But the side effect of that, which was a *huge* win for the 8mm/Super 8 shooters, was that it finally once again made available a film they could shoot, get cheaply processed (even process themselves), and project. No need for a processing house that could make prints from negatives, since those have all but disappeared. And Kodak, bless their hearts, did make some actual effort to support that and market it.

The problem, ultimately, is that no matter how rabidly that community liked and consumed the film, it just wasn't enough to get Kodak to make any more. Heck, Kodak stopped making reversal film for 35mm still cameras, and you know that market was a gazillion times bigger than the market for tiny film based movie cameras.

I've got a freezer full of bulk rolls of Fuji 35mm slide film, but I don't see where those are available any more, at least in the US. I think E6 is winding down, unfortunately :-(

Duncan

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