Murray - was that teenage moose wearing an Al Qaeda T-Shirt? If so, you should have reported him to your local RCMP office. It is clear he might have been scouting that location for a future attack.
I was escorted away from a place I was photographing once, and even had to climb a tree because the dude looked so unpredictable. That'll be the last time I ever have a battle of wills with a teenage Moose
Murray - was that teenage moose wearing an Al Qaeda T-Shirt? If so, you should have reported him to your local RCMP office. It is clear he might have been scouting that location for a future attack.
Actually it's Elk'aeda.
I have to ask you a question and I really want to know the answer. I am not trying to be disrespectful but I feel I need to ask.
Can you read? Did you read my post? Or did you read what you wanted to read with no regard for what was actually written?
No where did I say "special times" or anything as such. I checked my record collection the "special times" wasn't in there. Sorry--
What I was trying to say is that things evolve through time we can not stay stagnate our law will evolve also they have to. So please read then comment and not comment on what you wanted me to say because it fits in to you argument.
Again no disrespect intended but I feel you are disrespecting me by miss quoting me so it fits you argument.
You guys in the States could get a 'lucky' break if Hillary Clinton becomes president. I remember reading some years ago when her husband was president that she was a keen photographer. So she may just be sympathetic to you guys standing around taking photographs?
23mjm, we'll have to agree to disagree and move on.
Being questioned by police whilst doing something legal is, in Canadian law, "unreasonable search and seizure", at least it was before 9/11 and subsequent dilution of that provision. Now, in the age of paranoia, any questioning or slight pushback gets one immediately identified as a troublemaker or worse.
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Here it is called "reasonable suspicion" if the person is acting in a manor in which might be considered as suspicious, and contact by law enforcement is pefectly legal!
Law enforcement regards it as a citizen contact and consider it to be the same as any person walking up to another person and asking how they are doing or what they are doing. If the person is not doing anything illegal and the officer is not conducting a criminal investigation, the person can simply refuse to answer any questions. He or she can not get arrested in that case.
Again, legitimate law enforcement officers (not part time rent a cops) will not harrass someone for no particular reason. I have had worse experience with really unprofessional TSA agents, even more than with security guards, but that is a different story...
23mjm, we'll have to agree to disagree and move on.
Being questioned by police whilst doing something legal is, in Canadian law, "unreasonable search and seizure", at least it was before 9/11 and subsequent dilution of that provision. Now, in the age of paranoia, any questioning or slight pushback gets one immediately identified as a troublemaker or worse.
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Here it is called "reasonable suspicion" if the person is acting in a manor in which might be considered as suspicious, and contact by law enforcement is pefectly legal!
Law enforcement regards it as a citizen contact and consider it to be the same as any person walking up to another person and asking how they are doing or what they are doing. If the person is not doing anything illegal and the officer is not conducting a criminal investigation, the person can simply refuse to answer any questions. He or she can not get arrested in that case.
Again, legitimate law enforcement officers (not part time rent a cops) will not harrass someone for no particular reason. I have had worse experience with really unprofessional TSA agents, even more than with security guards, but that is a different story...
Well now there are 2 of us who understand the law in the USA.
I remain convinced that our freedoms are being eroded by sloppy and intrusive police work encouraged by draconian legislation changes driven by keeping an ignorant public amped up with unnecessary fear. Unfortunately, we photographers, by virtue of the curse of the visibility of our tripods, are an EASY and ACCESSIBLE first-order target for this type of harassment and intrusion. We should be Ghandi-like in our non-violent resistance to this unwarranted harassment when engaging in a perfectly legal pursuit in a so-called "free" society.
Being questioned by police whilst doing something legal is, in Canadian law, "unreasonable search and seizure", at least it was before 9/11 and subsequent dilution of that provision.
Next time you see a police officer in public, who is not actively occupied to doing their job, walk up, shake their hand and thank them for doing the job (a pretty thankless one) they do.
Next time you see a police officer in public, who is not actively occupied to doing their job, walk up, shake their hand and thank them for doing the job (a pretty thankless one) they do.
That's a very smiley & happy idea in principle, but in fact I don't feel comfortable walking up to shake the hand of someone who puts their firing hand on their gun holster the moment I'm seen approaching.
That's a creepy thing to do.Next time you see a police officer in public, who is not actively occupied to doing their job, walk up, shake their hand and thank them for doing the job (a pretty thankless one) they do.
I can't recall the California University but the setup was cops and inmates.
I was a cop in "the centinel". I had a current uniform of a toronto LEO and it was being shot downtown. There was lots of fake cops and it was interesting to watch how people behaved.Ever heard of the term "Officer Presence"? From my years in the military I have learned not to trust everyone, specifically uniformed individuals. I can't recall the California University but the setup was cops and inmates. Students were chosen at random which role they were to play and the cops got totally out of control as cops and it had to be shut down. Put a uniform on a person and give them some tools and authority and see where it leads. Granted we have a need for law enforcement and the vast majority are doing a dangerous job but the few that get in and end up in a situation were there are several of them verses one of us, you can guess where it can go. In the past it was "hit him were it won't show" not it's don't get caught on video. Anyone out there ever wore a uniform and a side arm? Makes you feel a little taller doesn't it?
Guess, life tends to occur as we say it does. One person might see the actions of those in law inforcement as being an intrusion on their sacred rights to privacy, while another might view it as just someone who is doing their job of trying to create a safer place for all of us. Rather than being offended by their actions this person might have a geniune feeling of gratitude that these people are doing the job they are asked to do each day. It is absolutely ones choice as to how they see the situation.
For any who are willing to put what they know to be "true" about those in law enforcement to the test, rather than remaining stuck in their truth, give one or all of these a try.
Next time you see a police officer in public, who is not actively occupied to doing their job, walk up, shake their hand and thank them for doing the job (a pretty thankless one) they do.
When you are at you favorite lunch spot and see a table of officers, pick up their lunch check and tell them it is just your way of thanking them for doing their job.
If your local department lets civilians ride with a patrol officer, you might give that a try.
The response one would get from any of these, I say, will create a positive shift in how one views law enforcement (and perhaps their world.)
No, I'm not in law enforcement and never have been. Yes, I have bought a few meals and shook a few hands. The first time I was questioned about what I was doing with a camera was inside the terminal at a relatively new Houston Intercontinental Airport. I had a 4X5 view camera and a tripod set up in the walkway to the gates. It was 1969 or 70. Bill Barber
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Being questioned by police whilst doing something legal is, in Canadian law, "unreasonable search and seizure", at least it was before 9/11 and subsequent dilution of that provision.
To the best of my knowledge, this is incorrect. The police in Canada can ask any question they wish. Whether or not they are entitled to an answer, or whether or not there is any consequence to refusing to cooperate or answer, is entirely a different question, and depends entirely on the circumstances. Some types of questioning can also constitute detention as well. Then the tests are much more rigorous. Matt
Its not the police or laws that protect me from "bad guys" its a well functioning and caring society.
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