God I love this---it is amazing how some people can read something and come away with something quite the opposite---not even the same direction.
NO ONE SAID PHOTOGRAPHY IS ILLEGAL-----NO ONE
And last time I checked--when LE went out and questioned david b that was "good old fashioned police work" going out and investigating. I pretty much can guarantee this was not random---LE probable got a call from someone and they went out to do some good old fashioned police work and find out what the photographer was up to. Guess what they decided he was up to nothing big through that good old fashioned police work you wondered about. It's just not the good old fashioned police work is not what you think it is.
It's not, and this is not an isolated incident, just one that was handled politely. Last year, here in Salt Lake, a photographer was arrested. She was released and an apology was issued.
The problem remains. It's not just photography, I'm not as myopic as you think, just being OT. It is the entire birth of a surveillance society we are witnessing. Warrantless wire taps, sneak and peak entry, secret lists, random questioning, detention with out charge or habeas corpus, and so on. Look this stuff up, these are facts, not some black helicopter web crud.
Meanwhile, you feel safe. Yeah, safer than ever when the cage is finished.
It is the entire birth of a surveillance society we are witnessing. Warrantless wire taps, sneak and peak entry, secret lists, random questioning, detention with out charge or habeas corpus, and so on. Look this stuff up, these are facts, not some black helicopter web crud.
Meanwhile, you feel safe. Yeah, safer than ever when the cage is finished.
The problem remains. It's not just photography, I'm not as myopic as you think, just being OT. It is the entire birth of a surveillance society we are witnessing. Warrantless wire taps, sneak and peak entry, secret lists, random questioning, detention with out charge or habeas corpus, and so on. Look this stuff up, these are facts, not some black helicopter web crud.
Private security guards are a different story though. I have had one too many encounters with them in the past and realized that they are more likely to violate your civil rights than a police officer. Security guards are not required to study law and police procedures as much as an average police officer, therefore, they act according to the role they conjured up in their immagination.
Private security have no authority to detain you, question you, or even ask you to identify yourself. The most private security can do is ask you to leave private property. If you are already on public property and are being harrassed by private security, your best recourse to to call the police.
Not to mention here in Britain calls from the police for a nationwide DNA database with everyone in Britain on it... calls for a compulsory biometric ID card... CCTV on every street corner and every road, with new versions being rolled out that listen to public conversation and others that have speakers to admonish people should they drop litter or light a cigarette in the wrong place... government agencies using lie detectors during phone calls with benefit claimants...
and not a helicopter or terrorist in sight.
An interesting article on how the British are sleepwalking into a virtually totalitarian state, all the time repeating the mantra 'If you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear...'. If it is happening here, you can guarantee it is happening across the pond.
I agree. Problem is that once police show up they can have you "officially trespassed" from that location and not permitted to return, ever! Many security guards tend to be overzelous when it comes to "their territory". p
OK, now for my dumb question. -- If he threatened to call the police, then backed off, why didn't you call the police? You were in a public place, minding your own business and were being harrassed. I certainly would have called the cops and explained in my complaint that I was being harrassed by some deranged bozo who was threatening me.
Private security have no authority to detain you, question you, or even ask you to identify yourself. The most private security can do is ask you to leave private property. If you are already on public property and are being harrassed by private security, your best recourse to to call the police.
No terrosists in my bran flakes this morning. I guess the random paranoa is having an effect on them. I did see a guy in an Al-Qaeda T-shirt yesterday, but he got away before I could call the rangers on my cell phone.
Jd please read post 141 I do hear what you are saying but a lot of these incidents start with Joe average citizen calling because they are paranoid that everyone is a terrorist--why they are that way is another topic. So when you as Joe citizen call the police to report something that you think needs looking into and the police stay at the station because no crime has been committed yet--thats OK?? You would expect them to investigate--ask questions. Like they did in david b incident.
I did see a guy in an Al-Qaeda T-shirt yesterday, but he got away before I could call the rangers on my cell phone.
No terrosists in my bran flakes this morning. I guess the random paranoa is having an effect on them. I did see a guy in an Al-Qaeda T-shirt yesterday, but he got away before I could call the rangers on my cell phone.
I seen one too an' got his pitchur--
He had a film camer an' everything.
There's our special friggin times again... the record is broken... I'm out. Ciao.
MP-- I have stated many many times that being questioned by the police is not harassment.... The diminishing availability of traditional B&W supplies is more troubling to me that being question by LE. Why because I feel it has more impact on my everyday life than a cops saying " hello so watch-ya doin"
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