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After printing for the last 6 or so years, I have never actually done a test to ensure that I am washing to an archival standard. I would like to pick up a test kit and ensure that I am doing the right thing.

Apart from the Formulary Residual Hypo Test Kit, is there any other reliable way to test prints (both RC and FB)?

Also, if I am using Ilford Washaid in my process, will this effect the kits accuracy.


Finally, do you test for permanency before or after Selenium toning?

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After printing for the last 6 or so years, I have never actually done a test to ensure that I am washing to an archival standard. I would like to pick up a test kit and ensure that I am doing the right thing.

Apart from the Formulary Residual Hypo Test Kit, is there any other reliable way to test prints (both RC and FB)?

Also, if I am using Ilford Washaid in my process, will this effect the kits accuracy.


Finally, do you test for permanency before or after Selenium toning?

Cheers
HCA will not affect the accuracy of the test,which should be done after washing
 
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What you want are the Kodak HT-2 (residual hypo - wash test) and ST-1 (residual silver - fix test) tests. These rely on matching a stain on the test area to an indicator strip, which is no longer made by Kodak. However, you can pick one up online; I think there's a pdf version on Ed Buffaloe's site, www.unblinkingeye.com in the formulas section. You can mix both of these tests from scratch chemicals too if you have them on hand. Watch out for the shelf life.

For residual silver, you can also use selenium toner if you have it on hand. It is close to the ST-1 test in accuracy if not equal. Check out the details here: http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/82926-selenium-toner-fixer-test-2.html .

Here is the Kodak recommendation for using KRST as a residual silver test:


Kodak Rapid Selenium Toner 1+9 with water (according to Tech Pub. J-1, 1973, p.41. Undiluted KRST may be better; see link above.)

1. Place a drop of the diluted solution on a squeegeed, white margin of a print or a clear part of film.

2. Wait two to three minutes; then wipe off the drop with a clean blotter or cloth. Any discoloration other than a slight cream tint indicates the presence of silver. Refix.

Here's the formula and instructions for the HT-2 test:


"Kodak® Hypo Test Solution HT-2

Distilled Water 750 ml

28% Acetic Acid 125 ml

Silver Nitrate, Crystals 7.5 g

Distilled Water to Make 1 l

(Store in a tightly sealed brown glass bottle away from strong light sources. This solution stains everything it touches, so don't splash it around.)

To use for paper, place one drop on the border of the print, let it stand for 2 minutes, then rinse with water. If the print is thoroughly washed the solution will produce only a very faint tea-colored stain, or possibly no stain at all. If it is inadequately washed, the solution will produce a rather dark tea-colored stain. To judge the stains accurately you should purchase a Kodak® Hypo Estimator, which costs about $3. (No longer available I believe, but downloadable as I mentioned above.)

To use for film, cut off a small piece of film and drop it into the test solution for 3 minutes. Properly washed films should show virtually no discoloration."

Note that these tests should be done after all processing, i.e. after final selenium toning and after wash-aid and a full wash.

I recommend that you do the following to test your workflow. At the end of your calculated capacity for your fixing bath (second fix if you use two-bath fixing), fix a full 8x10 sheet of paper using your used fixer. Cut this into quarters. Wash these as usual, pulling one 10-15 minutes before your usual wash time, one at your usual wash time and the other two in similar increments after your wash time (keep track of which is which). Test centers and corners of these for both residual hypo and silver.

If all is well, then your workflow is doing its job. Still, it's a good idea to find the limits of your workflow, so continue working with that same fixer for a while and repeat the test (knowing, of course, that you will likely have to refix the prints you make after reaching fixer capacity. After another 30-40% of the fixer capacity has been run through, repeat the test. If the print you pulled form the wash first last test was okay, then pull even earlier this time; the idea is to find a print that tests bad, so pull at 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 wash time to ensure one will be underwashed. (If any of the prints you tested on the first batch failed the residual hypo test, then you will need to extend your wash time accordingly and test that instead.) The idea here is to find where your workflow fails and then build in a hefty safety margin of, say, 25%.

After you've established your fixer capacity (throughput) and optimal wash time, each with appropriate safety factors, then simply test the last print through fix and wash for each session (or run a test print as described above). This is what I do.

Hope this helps,

Doremus
 
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if you can find yourself a used copy of one of the kodak darkroom dataguides or professional photoguides (wirebound in stiff oversized covers) they also have the patches for colour matching.

plus lots of other goodies like standard grey cards.
 

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What you want are the Kodak HT-2 (residual hypo - wash test) and ST-1 (residual silver - fix test) tests. These rely on matching a stain on the test area to an indicator strip, which is no longer made by Kodak. However, you can pick one up online; I think there's a pdf version on Ed Buffaloe's site, www.unblinkingeye.com in the formulas section. You can mix both of these tests from scratch chemicals too if you have them on hand. Watch out for the shelf life.

For residual silver, you can also use selenium toner if you have it on hand. It is close to the ST-1 test in accuracy if not equal. Check out the details here: http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/82926-selenium-toner-fixer-test-2.html .

Here is the Kodak recommendation for using KRST as a residual silver test:


Kodak Rapid Selenium Toner 1+9 with water (according to Tech Pub. J-1, 1973, p.41. Undiluted KRST may be better; see link above.)

1. Place a drop of the diluted solution on a squeegeed, white margin of a print or a clear part of film.

2. Wait two to three minutes; then wipe off the drop with a clean blotter or cloth. Any discoloration other than a slight cream tint indicates the presence of silver. Refix.

Here's the formula and instructions for the HT-2 test:


"Kodak® Hypo Test Solution HT-2

Distilled Water 750 ml

28% Acetic Acid 125 ml

Silver Nitrate, Crystals 7.5 g

Distilled Water to Make 1 l

(Store in a tightly sealed brown glass bottle away from strong light sources. This solution stains everything it touches, so don't splash it around.)

To use for paper, place one drop on the border of the print, let it stand for 2 minutes, then rinse with water. If the print is thoroughly washed the solution will produce only a very faint tea-colored stain, or possibly no stain at all. If it is inadequately washed, the solution will produce a rather dark tea-colored stain. To judge the stains accurately you should purchase a Kodak® Hypo Estimator, which costs about $3. (No longer available I believe, but downloadable as I mentioned above.)

To use for film, cut off a small piece of film and drop it into the test solution for 3 minutes. Properly washed films should show virtually no discoloration."

Note that these tests should be done after all processing, i.e. after final selenium toning and after wash-aid and a full wash.

I recommend that you do the following to test your workflow. At the end of your calculated capacity for your fixing bath (second fix if you use two-bath fixing), fix a full 8x10 sheet of paper using your used fixer. Cut this into quarters. Wash these as usual, pulling one 10-15 minutes before your usual wash time, one at your usual wash time and the other two in similar increments after your wash time (keep track of which is which). Test centers and corners of these for both residual hypo and silver.

If all is well, then your workflow is doing its job. Still, it's a good idea to find the limits of your workflow, so continue working with that same fixer for a while and repeat the test (knowing, of course, that you will likely have to refix the prints you make after reaching fixer capacity. After another 30-40% of the fixer capacity has been run through, repeat the test. If the print you pulled form the wash first last test was okay, then pull even earlier this time; the idea is to find a print that tests bad, so pull at 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 wash time to ensure one will be underwashed. (If any of the prints you tested on the first batch failed the residual hypo test, then you will need to extend your wash time accordingly and test that instead.) The idea here is to find where your workflow fails and then build in a hefty safety margin of, say, 25%.

After you've established your fixer capacity (throughput) and optimal wash time, each with appropriate safety factors, then simply test the last print through fix and wash for each session (or run a test print as described above). This is what I do.

Hope this helps,

Doremus

All VERY good advice except, what I have learned, is that you should fully wash a couple of prints and then do the tests on the entire print as this will demonstrate how efficient your wash procedure is for the entire print (bear in kind that many 'archival' washers are not that efficient but can do a great job when you know their limitations). I do this every three years and now know that my Silverpoint washer is great so long as you do a 15 minute wash followed by a complete water dump followed by turning the prints 180˚ and then another 30 minutes in the washer.

By the way, do not also forget that you can achieve archival results without an 'archival' washer, by using the procedures set out in Martin Read's seminal paper on the subject: http://www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=296&garpg=2

Bests,

David.
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This may be an unnecessary comment but in the case of RC paper which you mention in your opening post, I think that if you give the paper a three minute wash in slow flowing water then you can be very sure that it has been archivally washed. I have a Nova washer slot through which water can flow relatively slowly and I have yet to see any evidence of a residual fixer problem in 12 years of printing. I usually give 2-3 mins

The usual residual hypo test that is sensible for FB is really unnecessary for RC

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Here's the formula and instructions for the HT-2 test:

Hope this helps,

Thanks! That's a pretty comprehensive reply. I assume the testing is done on damp paper? Or can it be done on dried paper?

if you can find yourself a used copy of one of the kodak darkroom dataguides or professional photoguides (wirebound in stiff oversized covers) they also have the patches for colour matching.

plus lots of other goodies like standard grey cards.

I'll keep an eye out for one.

All VERY good advice except, what I have learned, is that you should fully wash a couple of prints and then do the tests on the entire print as this will demonstrate how efficient your wash procedure is for the entire print (bear in kind that many 'archival' washers are not that efficient but can do a great job when you know their limitations). I do this every three years and now know that my Silverpoint washer is great so long as you do a 15 minute wash followed by a complete water dump followed by turning the prints 180˚ and then another 30 minutes in the washer.

By the way, do not also forget that you can achieve archival results without an 'archival' washer, by using the procedures set out in Martin Read's seminal paper on the subject: http://www.film-and-darkroom-user.org.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=296&garpg=2

Bests,

David.
www.dsallen.de

OK, thanks for that. When you say a full print, I am assuming that you can simply get away with testing this on a blank piece of paper, that has been through the develop/fix process?

but in the case of RC paper

I am not too concerned with RC papers. My wash process for them includes a wash of 5 minutes minimum, with water dumps every minute or so and continual flow. I also rinse the prints one more time before hanging (in the shower - my darkroom is the laundry), just incase I get any cross contamination.

Cheers all for the replies
 
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So, when you do your test and the results are negative (dirty smudge) which do you do, throw the print away and re-print or re-wash in a hypo eleminator, wash again and test again?

Bruce,

Ideally, you've tested your workflow with test prints (unexposed paper put through the entire sequence; dev, stop, fix1, fix2, HCA, wash). Testing at the end of a session is easily done on unexposed paper too. If the results are negative, then, depending on the test, the prints in question need to be washed longer, or refixed in fresh fixer and washed for the entire time. Sometimes I'll test on the white border of a print. If one of these ever came up negative, I'd probably just refix and rewash it (and others so affected). The test chemicals will wash out just fine and any stain is on the border and gets trimmed at mounting time.

BTW, hypo eliminator is peroxide-based and no longer recommended. Hypo-Clearing Agent is Kodak's wash aid and is sodium-sulfite based. Ilford and others sell similar products and you can make your own easily as well.

David's suggestion to test an entire print is good, but takes a tray and some more chemistry. When doing my initial tests, I dot the blank print in several places, edges middle and in-between to approximate this. Testing a full print is better.

Best,

Doremus
 
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