Question about fixing a Rolleiflex 2.8a Type 1 frame counter issue

Hey guys,

I have this old broken Rolleiflex 2.8a Type 1 that's been lying around, collecting dust for years now. I figured it would make a pretty good DIY project to learn how to fix it. I've considered sending it in but after getting quotes for the repair, I feel like I'd be better off just buying another one.

I made this video describing the issue I'm seeing:

NOTE: I sent this video to someone who repairs Rolleiflexes and he basically told me that I'm on the wrong track, that I have no missing parts, and that if I send it to him, he'll charge me more for "tampering" with it.

Given the information above, do any of you guys have any pointers or help for me? I'd love to fix this thing for myself.

Thanks!
(also, forgive me if I come off as a COMPLETE NEWBIE)

Doesn't the 2.8A have the automatic loading system whereby after you thread the film, you then wind until frame 1?

I think with no film threaded through, as in your case, the gears are staying disengaged. Once the camera senses film passing through the two thin rollers, then after a certain number of winds, the counter advances to 1 and stops. Just my guess, since I'm only a Rolleiflex user, not repairman.

Theo Sulphate said:

Doesn't the 2.8A have the automatic loading system whereby after you thread the film, you then wind until frame 1?

I think with no film threaded through, as in your case, the gears are staying disengaged. Just my guess, since I'm only a Rolleiflex user, not repairman.

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I have a take-up spool with a rubber band wrapped around it to simulate film. It's engaging the thing that should spin the film counter.

as I recall, it has to have film or backing on the load side.
IE it needs to be fooled into thinking it has film in it.

swidge said:

I have a take-up spool with a rubber band wrapped around it to simulate film. It's engaging the thing that should spin the film counter.

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My understanding is that film sensing is initially done by the two thin rollers near the supply-side spool. I've heard there's a sensor under the lower roller (my Rollei's aren't nearby, otherwise I'd look).

If you don't want to waste film, you could use lightweight paper to simulate film and place it between the rollers. Note that the back must then be closed.

I agree, there needs to be film in the system for the counters to work... under the first one, over the second... expend a roll of film for this, it's worth it to eliminate those rollers as a problem

I save the backing paper and spool from processed film for testing purposes.

You guys are right about the rollers! God, I feel like a big ol' dummy now. Thanks! On to the next issue with this camera.

I have a followup question, though. How the hell do I get the winder arm off? It's held in with a pin and I can't for the life of me get it to budge.