But how do I know that that filter grade is getting the full range of what the paper can give me?
Quite, but not quite. At the lowest grades, it may not always be possible with all papers to get the same dmax as on higher grades. I quite painfully ran into this when building a led exposure head where I found I had to mix in just a tiny bit of blue with the green of grade 0 in order to hit dmax (most testing was done with Adox MCC110).If you mean the range between white and the darkest black, then I'd say that every grade should be able to produce it.
Those are two different questions.But how do I know that that filter grade is getting the full range of what the paper can give me? Is a grade 2 really a grade two?
Yes, but there's a bit of a snag. At the exposure levels you need with pure green light to reach dmax, halation tends to become a problem, resulting in very fuzzy prints with lots of bleeding. Some papers may do better than others, but it seems to me that VC papers aren't really engineered to work well with monochromatic green light.so in general you should be able to get to d-max or pretty close with green light.
Recently I had a negative that required split grade printing. The first in about 2 years. All other negatives in that period did fine on a single grade.Split-grade printing. Grade doesn't matter.
here is what I can contribute:I just started shooting a new film and developer combo, and have been doing testing to determine film speed and developing times. The method I have used for years is a pretty standard visual test, no densitometer, very similar to lots of other peoples published tests.
Here is my question, and i dont know why I have never really thought about this before, but this testing system is based on using one particular paper, and one particular contrast grade. I have always just used a number 2 filter if im using variable contrast paper. My negatives will now be tailored to that. But how do I know that that filter grade is getting the full range of what the paper can give me? Is a grade 2 really a grade two?
Should I be figuring that out before I even start, and if so, how? Or does it really matter?
whats the rationale behind disregarding the lightest gray?Cheap and easy way is to count the number of gray bands a contact-printed 21 step wedge produces, discounting the very darkest and lightest grays. Multiply that number by 15 to get the ISO(R). Grade 2 is 100 to 110. So you are looking for about 7 bands.
For ISO purposes the density range and log exposure range of a paper isn't from paper white to max black, but rather from a very light tone to a very dark (but not d-max) black. The idea was to standardize these things based on the useful density (log exposure) range rather than absolute max reflection density range.
For ISO purposes the density range and log exposure range of a paper isn't from paper white to max black, but rather from a very light tone to a very dark (but not d-max) black. The idea was to standardize these things based on the useful density (log exposure) range rather than absolute max reflection density range.
but IC- Racer is saying to disregard the very lightest tone and I dont understand why one would do that.
My point is with split grade printing it doesn't matter what grade you end up with, even if it is not an in-between grade or require split-grade burning or dodging. Why should the grade matter--except for empirical reasons--you're using VC paper after all.Recently I had a negative that required split grade printing. The first in about 2 years. All other negatives in that period did fine on a single grade.
Thank you. This explains a lot to me.here is what I can contribute:
Ah yes, I agree with that!My point is with split grade printing it doesn't matter what grade you end up with, even if it is not an in-between grade or require split-grade burning or dodging. Why should the grade matter--except for empirical reasons--you're using VC paper after all.
All the magenta filters in all my dichroic heads, and the blue filter in my additive head all hit at least 4.5 grade that way
If you count too many patches one might be led down the dark slippery slope to "Faded Dichroic Filter Replacement" that frequently ends in tears when the irreplaceable (and perfectly fine) magenta filter breaks.
Seriously, even if you plot it out, it won't look smooth like this with a 21 step wedge, you will still be guessing where the 0.04 point is, so throwing out the first light gray is a pragmatic solution.
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