Richard Boutwell
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I have been doing a lot of work making multi gray profiles in QTR for printing positives, but since I lost my darkroom last year I haven't had a way of testing some things I've been working on with digital negatives. I just put up an Excel template that automatically calculates a correction curve for pasting into the GRAY_CURVE= "....." line in the QTR ink Descriptor File.
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I know there are things like ChartThrob, which I have used in the past, but since those rely on a scanner the results might not be as refined as what can be done with a spectrophotometer or densitometer.
I was wondering if anyone using QTR to make digital negatives could put this thing through its paces, and see if it works for creating a process correction curve. I would love it if this makes the linearization process less error prone, and the whole thing more consistent.
I took a very quick look. Are requiring L*A*B measurements? That's going to be a showstopper for me and other who don't have a spectro, or whose densitometer measures only log densities. The QTR linearize routine supports LAB but it is not required. I may give it a go for carbon printing when I get some free time.
The "values not regularly increasing" error is a big problem when attempting to linearize a step tablet printed with an alt process as it is likely to require non-linear corrections to achieve linear output. In other words, the profile must already achieve close to linear output before attempting LINEARIZE as a final tweak. Inkjet prints are not as difficult since inkjet output is already very linear.
I'll have to wait until your process supports log densities. I actually have a DTP41 spectro, but I don't think there is a simple way to capture LAB values.
I'd like to automate curve production, but my requirements are:
- it must be simpler and quicker than manually deriving a curve
- it must produce a curve at least as accurate as a manually derived curve. I have not encountered an automated process that didn't require manual tweaking, but that is the easy part -- a couple of manual corrections can quickly get you in the ballpark, but getting perfect ramp is still a chore.
Thanks Richard. I will try this. I opened the spreadsheet using Oracle Office and it's showing 10 digits of precision in the density cells, and even more in the gray_curve cell. I think you will want to update this to round off these valuesHere is a link to the page where you can download both versions of the QTR Gray Curve Correction tool. This is an Excel Spreadsheet template so you will need that installed on your computer to use it. Hope it is helpful.
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QTR doesn't seem mind working with so many decimal places.
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in this context there is no benefit to providing more than 2 decimal places.
The density values are not a problem as these are populated directly from the densitometer or manually entered (not sure why this column is prepopulated), but when I read my 21-step wedge, the false precision added by the spreadsheet is creating a gray_curve string 393 characters long.
This is way too unwieldy. The correction curve values starting at V36 are only 2 decimal places, so why not just use those values when calculating the gray curve? I can certainly edit the string before pasting into my profile, but this is a job for the computer, not the user.
One of the problems with QTR is that it's so poorly documented, it's hard to know precisely how functions are going to behave. GRAY_CURVE seems like less of a black box to me -- it's more flexible and less likely to return obscure errors, so this is the function that I use.
Apples and oranges -- the QTR linearize process is not the same as applying a gray curve.
Sorry if I have misunderstood your tool, I thought the values you calculate are to be deployed using GRAY_CURVE.
I guess there is no reason you couldn't use the same values for LINEARIZE, but I wouldn't expect these methods to have the same result.
I do know that I have been able to build excellent ramps using only 2,1, or even no decimals. As a software engineer, I have never encountered programming that required 10 or 13 decimals. For me, all these numbers are untidy and just make everything hard to read.
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