noseoil said:A friend graciously offered the HP5 image with PMK to do the comparison (thanks Ria). It was taken with a 300mm Symmar-S lens and 4x5 reducing back, HP5, and contact printed on Ilford FB paper. Development was with PMK with "normal" agitation, which means agitation cycles every 15 seconds to avoid uneven staining. This lens is incredibly sharp when looking at the 4x5 image in the "sweet spot" which was the center of the image circle. A lens hood was used and the reducing back was built with a recess to avoid internal flare.
David A. Goldfarb said:One of these is PL100 and one is HP5? One with a G-claron and one with a Symmar-S? Two negs developed most likely to different densities? Different apertures, different papers, etc.
There are too many variables here for this to be a meaningful comparison of the two developers.
WarEaglemtn said:(of course AZO will look better then Ilford MG)
Maybe you don't know how to print?
Not everything looks 'better' on Azo.
garysamson said:"That is not a knock on anyone that choses this particular set of materials, it simply is a fact. Yes, there are many marvelous images that can be produced on silver paper but for me (emphasis on ME) they are not the "best" that could be produced."
I would politely disagree, it is not simply a fact. Using only one film, one developer or one paper limits the potential creativity available to the artist / photographer. I have seen many fine (outsrtanding) contact prints on gelatin silver paper other than AZO. It is not just an issue of extracting the greatest tonal range out of a particular paper that makes the resulting image successful, but the artist's individual choice of materials, image content and final interpretation of that image that results in a long lasting and moving photograph that stands the test of time.
I do have a question. Is the 'minimal agitation' technique really necessary with sheet film that will be contact printed or slight enlarged?
noseoil said:While this test is in no way scientific, it does show a big difference between PMK & Pyrocat.
c6h6o3 said:To show the difference...
reggie said:Can anyone name a single generally acknowledged 'masterpiece' made on AZO in the last 50 years?
-Mike
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