I've been making some negs for pt printing using PMK Pyro. The first neg I exposed gave me a pretty nice print at a 17 minute exposure. However, it lacked shadow detail and so since then I've been giving an extra two stops exposure to lay down some more information. The shadows have a good separation of detail now. Only problem is when I've been processing them they have a very heavy stain as a consequence of the additional exposure. I am also overdeveloping by 20% to build the contrast. I know this is a blanket thing to be doing to every shot and is in no way ideal to get the optimum results. The overdevelopment is obviously heightening the problem. It's worked well for a low contrast scene which has given a nice neg but the negs of scenes with more contrast look bulletproof. Luckily I've taken duplicate shots. So I'm wondering, when processing the second sheets should I just go for a normal development time or should I scrap using pyro and try using regular dev? I'm not post-staining at all. I'm wondering whether the TF-4 archival fixer is exacerbating it too. I think I've read somewhere that Hypam reduces the staining. I've got one last shot at these which are for a project so I'd really appreciate advice with this! Cheers
I use WD2D+, a developer formulated by John Wimberley.
Thanks Bob! I was actually reading your appendix in Dick Arentz book last night. I understand now that if I want to increase the contrast of my negs I should increase film speed because the shadows are receiving extra development too. Do you think I will get away with using Pyrocat rather than ABC as I have none of the latter? Perhaps developing for normal time rather than N+1. The other option was to develop them in D-76. I can't get ABC premixed in the UK. Suppose I could mix my own, there's a formula in the Darkroom Cookbook aint there.
Hmm, I think it might be worth investigating drums if I'm using pyro formulas then. I'm going to try a neg in pyrocat tonight and see if that works out ok, either way I'll buy the raw chemicals for ABC tomorrow and try that solution out. Phew.
Keep in mind that with the Jobo you need to insert the sheets into the tank already wet, at least with PMK. I can't remember where I picked up this tip and I know it sounds crazy but it's the only way I found to get consistent stain all the way across the negative. Fill the drum all the way with water, insert the film in the dark. Kind of a PITA which is why I prefer the combi-plan. Also, with the jobo considerable amounts of PMK are needed to displace the volume of the tank. This is not an issue if a proper nitrogen gas technique is employed.
I have never read anything like the post quoted above anywhere. I develop with Jobo tanks and have no darkroom (I use a Harrison tent). I do a pre-wash of my film before adding my Pyrocat-HD to the tank.
I have never read anything like the post quoted above anywhere. I develop with Jobo tanks and have no darkroom (I use a Harrison tent). I do a pre-wash of my film before adding my Pyrocat-HD to the tank.
Sheet film in trays, not much chance of controlling oxidation!
Diane,
With some tubes and drums the film fits so tightly that if you load the film dry and then pre-soak and develop the the solutions will not fully reach the back (or base) of the film during processing because it is so tightly pressed against the inside of the tube/drum. If this happens it may be very difficult to remove the film after you finish processing.Sandy King
...Not to mention the vexing problem of uneven stain on the base side that sometimes shows up as slight lines of higher density where the negative touches the ridge of the cylinder (at least in processing 5x7 in a 3006). With the 3000 series tanks I know this to be the case when using PMK and rollo pyro, ABC and WD2D. I've yet to try Mr. King's formula in the Jobo and so do not know if his formula is dogged by this problem.
Thanks for this. This is consistent with my experience as I've noticed that the more careful I've been in thoroughly washing the base side down, the more consistent my overall stain. I've worked with the EDTA but did not like the results as much as straight pmk - reduced edge effects and a slightly more compressed neg. to my eyes. If flow over the base side of the neg. with staining developers is this critical why recommend using a jobo at all? The easiest path to clean pyro negatives for me has always been inversion with a full-to-the-brim combi-plan or patterson tank.Uneven stain on the base side is a potential problem with any pyro staining developer if the base side does not get good solution flow during development. The issue is that many films have a clear gelatin coating on the base side that will stain in the same way that the emulsion side will stain, the purpose of which is to prevent excessive curl and/or to serve as a retouching base. If the base side does not get an even flow of developer this will show up as uneven staining. The severity of the problem is dependent on the thickness of the base coating as well as amount of stain.
Sandy King
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