Programming guys! Can you update Canon EOS ES-E1 Software for Modern Mac/PC?

Light Guru · Apr 16, 2014

StoneNYC said:
Thanks for the suggestions guys, what you don't understand or might not know is that even Macs can have viruses that just sit there and files that already exist on the computer and would have no effect on my Mac computer if there designed for windows, however if I'm running anything in windows there's a possibility that a file might find its way onto the windows media stick, but unlikely, I run a virus protection program anyway for Mac, that also weeds out Windows viruses as well.

Stone I worked at the Genius Bar for Apple for 5.5 years so I fully know and fully understand.

In my opinion you are paranoid. I've been running macs for 10 years and never once got a virus on my personal machine. The only thing I have ever seen a virus software do on a mac is slow down its performance.

In all those years at the Genius Bar and in all the thousands of of macs I worked on I saw only two viruses. One was embedded in a excel file and ONLY effected excel. (And that old version of excel will not even run on a machine as new as yours) The other was a Trojan that was disguised as a video codec that questionable adult websites would ask you to install, you even had to enter your password to install it. And all that Trojan did was mess up your DNS settings preventing you from connecting to the internet. And like I said you actually had to enter your password to install the virus. So as long as you pay attention to what you install on the mac you will be perfectly fine.

As for getting a virus in a virtual windows machine on a mac that WILL NOT HAPPEN if you don't go online while in the windows os OR bring any files infected with a windows virus into the windows OS. In your case you don't need to do ether. Simply disable the network sharing to the vertical machine. Download the software you need to install while using the web on the Mac OS then move the installer into the windows os. The only files then going through the windows os would be the ones imported from your camera. Do you really think your 14 year old camera will be sending out viruses. Because that will be the only source of files coming into the windows OS.

Believe me you really seem to be acting paranoid and you have nothing to worry about installing windows as a vertical machine on your mac.

Truzi · Apr 16, 2014

The Mac should be able to handle an rs232 to USB adapter natively (same with scsi to usb). I'm a bit rusty on Mac, and not at work (so I don't have one in front of me), but many Linux and Unix commands are similar (except for the flags).
Does anyone know offhand if he can connect the camera, then dmesg|tail to see the device (if it is recognized by the OS), and hope it is some sort of DOS or FAT structure that can be mounted?

Stone - there is an alternate idea. Pencil and a small memo pad.
Or, you can bring a second camera, and after you have the shutter and aperture set on the Canon, take a picture of it. That way you'll know the settings and the lens

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I've not used windows in years, and when I did, I never used antivirus; I was only infected twice.
The first was a worm because I didn't have the patches installed - after that I merely installed a small firewall (and kept up with patching) and it never happened again. I am very careful, not about where I browse, but what I allow my machine to do. I was never infected from downloads, videos, rogue files (trojans), removable storage, java, browser exploits, etc.

The second time was in a virtual machine, and it was on purpose. I wanted to track what a virus was doing, so purposely put it on the VM.

Tony-S · Apr 16, 2014

I'd first try to install SheepShaver on your Mac:

http://sheepshaver.cebix.net
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7360&sid=614d8e9c9a510f52668e1a80964a9a51

Then install Mac OS9 under Sheepshaver. Then install the Canon software for Mac OS9:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/ELS/PC/ese1_pc01-e.html

Then see if it works.

StoneNYC · Apr 16, 2014

Light Guru said:
Stone I worked at the Genius Bar for Apple for 5.5 years so I fully know and fully understand.

In my opinion you are paranoid. I've been running macs for 10 years and never once got a virus on my personal machine. The only thing I have ever seen a virus software do on a mac is slow down its performance.

In all those years at the Genius Bar and in all the thousands of of macs I worked on I saw only two viruses. One was embedded in a excel file and ONLY effected excel. (And that old version of excel will not even run on a machine as new as yours) The other was a Trojan that was disguised as a video codec that questionable adult websites would ask you to install, you even had to enter your password to install it. And all that Trojan did was mess up your DNS settings preventing you from connecting to the internet. And like I said you actually had to enter your password to install the virus. So as long as you pay attention to what you install on the mac you will be perfectly fine.

As for getting a virus in a virtual windows machine on a mac that WILL NOT HAPPEN if you don't go online while in the windows os OR bring any files infected with a windows virus into the windows OS. In your case you don't need to do ether. Simply disable the network sharing to the vertical machine. Download the software you need to install while using the web on the Mac OS then move the installer into the windows os. The only files then going through the windows os would be the ones imported from your camera. Do you really think your 14 year old camera will be sending out viruses. Because that will be the only source of files coming into the windows OS.

Believe me you really seem to be acting paranoid and you have nothing to worry about installing windows as a vertical machine on your mac.

Thanks,

The only thing is I can't turn the internet off, if I turn the wifi off I lose access to everything (including a DVD drive.

And I'm not going to the basement and unplugging the internet just for this, the household would kill me haha

But thanks for the confidence. I've had more than a few viruses detected by the free virus software and it's never slowed things down in any noticeable way.

StoneNYC · Apr 16, 2014

Tony-S said:
I'd first try to install SheepShaver on your Mac:

http://sheepshaver.cebix.net
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7360&sid=614d8e9c9a510f52668e1a80964a9a51

Then install Mac OS9 under Sheepshaver. Then install the Canon software for Mac OS9:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/ELS/PC/ese1_pc01-e.html

Then see if it works.

Cool! I'll try it!

Truzi · Apr 17, 2014

You turn off the internet of the virtual machine, not the host machine (your Mac). It's all point-and-click. Your windows virtual machine will then be cut off from the outside world. The same is true for USB. They are passed-through to your virtual machine, but only if you want. The windows virtual machine is completely isolated from your real machine.

Basically, you do nothing to your Mac but install Virtual Box. Virtual Box is a program, and runs in a window. You configure the settings for the virtual computer, then start it. It's a program. Just about everything we are talking about is within the virtual machine program. Windows itself does not have access to your drive unless you specifically let it, and even then, it's as a network share (you can designate a folder on your Mac to be mapped as a "drive" on windows if you want).

Now, Tony-S' idea is good. I never thought of that, and it might work better (though may be more difficult for you to set up).

Light Guru · Apr 17, 2014

StoneNYC said:
Thanks,

The only thing is I can't turn the internet off, if I turn the wifi off I lose access to everything (including a DVD drive.

And I'm not going to the basement and unplugging the internet just for this, the household would kill me haha

But thanks for the confidence. I've had more than a few viruses detected by the free virus software and it's never slowed things down in any noticeable way.

I'm not talking about disconnecting your internet. I'm talking about in the settings for the virtual machine you disable the the sharing of the internet from your Mac OS to the windows virtual machine.

Just like your physical computer needs a network adapter like wifi card or Ethernet port a vertical machine also needs to be given a network adapter, this is done in the settings of the virtual machine. You simply DISABLE the network adapter for the virtual machine, once that is done nothing in the virtual machine can access the internet.

Light Guru · Apr 17, 2014

Tony-S said:
I'd first try to install SheepShaver on your Mac:

http://sheepshaver.cebix.net
http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7360&sid=614d8e9c9a510f52668e1a80964a9a51

Then install Mac OS9 under Sheepshaver. Then install the Canon software for Mac OS9:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/ELS/PC/ese1_pc01-e.html

Then see if it works.

StoneNYC said:
Cool! I'll try it!

Problem with that is being able to find a old copy of OS9. OS9 is older then WinXP and wasn't nearly as wide spread as WinXP.

StoneNYC · Apr 17, 2014

Truzi said:
You turn off the internet of the virtual machine, not the host machine (your Mac). It's all point-and-click. Your windows virtual machine will then be cut off from the outside world. The same is true for USB. They are passed-through to your virtual machine, but only if you want. The windows virtual machine is completely isolated from your real machine.

Basically, you do nothing to your Mac but install Virtual Box. Virtual Box is a program, and runs in a window. You configure the settings for the virtual computer, then start it. It's a program. Just about everything we are talking about is within the virtual machine program. Windows itself does not have access to your drive unless you specifically let it, and even then, it's as a network share (you can designate a folder on your Mac to be mapped as a "drive" on windows if you want).

Now, Tony-S' idea is good. I never thought of that, and it might work better (though may be more difficult for you to set up).

I don't entirely believe this... If this were true, why not make all windows "virtual" and then people won't have virus issues at all, there's got to be viruses that are able to break through the virtual barrier?

StoneNYC · Apr 17, 2014

Light Guru said:
Problem with that is being able to find a old copy of OS9. OS9 is older then WinXP and wasn't nearly as wide spread as WinXP.

That's true... But I'm sure the Mac guys could help, or maybe apple has a copy

Actually... In my attic I might have a copy... In an Apple Mac from that time period... I keep meaning to boot it up and see, it's one of the old grey ones, square, with the screen and computer together. Not sure what version but it's OLD haha might not be running os9 so... Might have to "upgrade" lol

darkosaric · Apr 17, 2014

StoneNYC said:
I don't entirely believe this... If this were true, why not make all windows "virtual" and then people won't have virus issues at all, there's got to be viruses that are able to break through the virtual barrier?

No - there is no escape from "virtual barrier". Not only Virtual box - there are other more professional solutions like VMware - on one physical server machine you can run hundreds of machines that are virtual and invisible to each other - this is how today is done for many professional business (web sites, clouds ... even banking).

CatLABS · Apr 17, 2014

StoneNYC said:
anyone?

Not anyone - just the guys. I guess its another assumption that only guys can be programmers, or that stone only seeks the advice of males.

MattKing · Apr 17, 2014

StoneNYC said:
there's got to be viruses that are able to break through the virtual barrier?

There are, except they only work when they have the active assistance and cooperation of the easily fooled human operating the keyboard.

Truzi · Apr 17, 2014

StoneNYC said:
I don't entirely believe this... If this were true, why not make all windows "virtual" and then people won't have virus issues at all, there's got to be viruses that are able to break through the virtual barrier?

It's not about being virtual, it's about restricting attack vectors. If you installed windows on a computer and never connected to the internet, and never connected an USB drive or inserted a floppy/cd/dvd without making sure there was no virus on it, you would never get an infection.
Computer's don't get infected by magic just because they run windows.

If you keep ANY computer, virtual or real, away from things that can cause harm, it will not get a virus. By setting VirtualBox to NOT allow the virtual machine to contact the internet, you'd not get a virus that propagates via the internet.
Also, if your virtual machine is on the internet, and gets infected, how do you believe it will transfer a windows virus to your Mac? Any cross-platform virus that could do that is something that infects your web browser, not your OS, and you are at a greater risk of that simply by using web browsers on your Mac right now.

CatLABS said:
Not anyone - just the guys. I guess its another assumption that only guys can be programmers, or that stone only seeks the advice of males.

Why is referring to a group as "guys" so prevalent that I hear women refer to other women as "you guys?" Could it be an incorrect yet highly ingrained figure of speech?

StoneNYC · Apr 17, 2014

Truzi said:
Why is referring to a group as "guys" so prevalent that I hear women refer to other women as "you guys?" Could it be an incorrect yet highly ingrained figure of speech?

Thanks, I'm guessing this other user's first language is not English even if they have very good language skills, from time to time, I see subtle mistakes that make me think it's a language barrier.

Either way I'm the farthest thing from a sexist you will find on this forum.

Chris Lange · Apr 22, 2014

I just came across this VM software that's open source...may be of interest to you stone..

http://www.kju-app.org/

StoneNYC · Apr 22, 2014

Chris Lange said:
I just came across this VM software that's open source...may be of interest to you stone..

http://www.kju-app.org/

Thanks, I'm a little unsure of whether it would work, it says it was built on Tiger which incorporates a lot of the older Mac architecture, and only lists up to Leopard as compatibility wise, I'm on Mavericks. They changed everything with Snow Leopard (different than Leopard) so I'm not sure it would even run on my system, but I'll give it a try I suppose.

EdSawyer · Apr 22, 2014

I keep an older OS9 machine running. OS9 in many ways is a better OS, esp. from a user-interface standpoint, than OSX is. That said, to run this software, it's easier to run it in a windoze VM, for me, since I have one of those set up anyway.

StoneNYC · Apr 22, 2014

EdSawyer said:
I keep an older OS9 machine running. OS9 in many ways is a better OS, esp. from a user-interface standpoint, than OSX is. That said, to run this software, it's easier to run it in a windoze VM, for me, since I have one of those set up anyway.

I'm not sure what version of Mac my old machine is running but I'm guessing it's pre OS9....

I don't even know if the computer has an Ethernet port... It's that old... Certainly doesn't have USB... Lol but it does have an "S-Cable" for the mouse I think... And I have an S cable to USB adapter... I dunno... It's a stretch...

So maybe that's not an option...

Chris Lange · Apr 23, 2014

StoneNYC said:
Thanks, I'm a little unsure of whether it would work, it says it was built on Tiger which incorporates a lot of the older Mac architecture, and only lists up to Leopard as compatibility wise, I'm on Mavericks. They changed everything with Snow Leopard (different than Leopard) so I'm not sure it would even run on my system, but I'll give it a try I suppose.

I'm on mavericks as well, I ran it earlier and it worked fine from a cursory check of things.

StoneNYC · Apr 23, 2014

Chris Lange said:
I'm on mavericks as well, I ran it earlier and it worked fine from a cursory check of things.

Cool! Thanks!

andrewf · Apr 25, 2014

As others have kindly taken the time to point out, you can run a windows VM on your mac that is isolated from "the internet" quite easily and securely.
Believe it or not, that's up to you. You've asked the question and received the answer. The rest is up to you.

wakarimasen · Mar 9, 2015

Does anyone have a copy of the original CD that I could copy? I recently bought a cable without the software and found that you need the latter to install the updated version.
Best regards,
RoyM

RattyMouse · Mar 9, 2015

MattKing said:
And by the way, Macs are the new growth industry for viruses.

I know that this is an old thread, but this line just cracked me up!

Dirb9 · Mar 22, 2015

I've made an ISO of the original CD, uploaded it here: link

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