Printing half frame negs on a full frame carrier; does it work well?

rpavich · Jan 4, 2017

I'm loving my Olympus Trip 35 so much that I am toying with the idea of getting a Pen EE-2 or -3 which is essentially a half-frame version of that camera.

Does anyone have experience printing half frame negatives using a full frame carrier? I'm thinking I'd like the idea of two related shots in the same 4 x 6 print.

Is there an issue with the clear base showing between the shots? Does it mess up the exposure in any way?

darkroommike · Jan 4, 2017

It might add a bit of non-image forming light to the print. The other issue? Frame A + Frame B + inter frame space will be wider than 36mm so you'll need to print with a glass carrier or modify a regular 35mm carrier to be more like 24mmx38mm.

rpavich · Jan 4, 2017

darkroommike said:
It might add a bit of non-image forming light to the print. The other issue? Frame A + Frame B + inter frame space will be wider than 36mm so you'll need to print with a glass carrier or modify a regular 35mm carrier to be more like 24mmx38mm.

OH, I hadn't thought of that. I assumed that both would fit in a single frame. Darn.
Thanks for the help.

rpavich · Jan 4, 2017

rpavich said:
OH, I hadn't thought of that. I assumed that both would fit in a single frame. Darn.
Thanks for the help.

EDITED TO ADD: Maybe I could make a mask from mat board and use my 6x6 carrier?

summicron1 · Jan 4, 2017

I've done this, there's no problem. They fit fine on my negative carrier, a Leitz focomat. The black bar between the two is just that -- a black bar. The images themselves are just fine. Just calculate exposure for the image area, don't sweat the black bar because it will be, well, black.

rpavich · Jan 4, 2017

summicron1 said:
I've done this, there's no problem. The black bar between the two is just that -- a black bar. The images themselves are just fine. Just calculate exposure for the image area, don't sweat the black bar because it will be, well, black.

Ok..thanks.
How about the size of the two frames?
Do they fit into one 24mmx36mm frame or are they actually wider because of the black bar?

summicron1 · Jan 4, 2017

rpavich said:
Ok..thanks.
How about the size of the two frames?
Do they fit into one 24mmx36mm frame or are they actually wider because of the black bar?

they fit on mine. Remember, you get 72 images on a 36 shot roll, so the two images aren't taking any more room up than a single "full" frame.

rpavich · Jan 4, 2017

summicron1 said:
they fit on mine. Remember, you get 72 images on a 36 shot roll, so the two images aren't taking any more room up than a single "full" frame.

Ahh...that's great. I'm going to get the camera now.

summicron1 · Jan 4, 2017

rpavich said:
Ahh...that's great. I'm going to get the camera now.

i haven't ever taken a pair of calipers to the film gate on my camera, but I suspect it is slightly less wide than 18mm so the two frames don't eat up any more film than a single full frame.

worst case scenario, it trims a titch off the edge.

Cholentpot · Jan 4, 2017

Go for it! Just remember to stick with the lower speed stuff. Things can get pretty hairy with half frames and fast film.

wiltw · Jan 4, 2017

darkroommike said:
It might add a bit of non-image forming light to the print

No worse than taking any 24 x 36mm full neg, raising the enlarger head to fill a 10x15" area on the baseboard, but putting only an 8x10" piece of enlarging paper (image cropped and captured on the easel). No mat necessarily used in the negative carrier, for that situation!

flavio81 · Jan 4, 2017

It works well, the lab has done this for me all the time because I usually request 8x10" enlargements of two consecutive frames at a time. Perhaps a bit of the frame is lost, though. But i have many enlargements done that way.

michael_r said:
I don't have anything relevant add but "Cholentpot" is a cool username.

Agree...

Cholentpot · Jan 4, 2017

michael_r said:
I don't have anything relevant add but "Cholentpot" is a cool username.

A Cholent Pot should be present in any self respecting Jew's kitchen. It is a combination of a scared tradition, useful utility and home defense.

The "Way Of The Cholent Pot" is a belief system that no matter what is thrown at you, cooking it for 24 hours at a low temperature will make it all right.

I have not yet reached the Nirvana of Cholent Potism but my setup is nothing to scoff at.

flavio81 · Jan 4, 2017

Cholentpot said:
A Cholent Pot should be present in any self respecting Jew's kitchen. It is a combination of a scared tradition, useful utility and home defense.

The "Way Of The Cholent Pot" is a belief system that no matter what is thrown at you, cooking it for 24 hours at a low temperature will make it all right.

I understood "cholent pot" also as a "slow cooker" (appliance). I have my slow cooker and love it. "Cholent"="Chaud lent" (slow heat)

Gerald C Koch · Jan 4, 2017

For use as a mask I would recommend using rubylith. Its also less prone to damage than matte board.

Sirius Glass · Jan 4, 2017

I avoid any problems by printing my half frame [aka single frame] negative with a 4"x5" glass negative carrier.

Cholentpot · Jan 4, 2017

flavio81 said:
I understood "cholent pot" also as a "slow cooker" (appliance). I have my slow cooker and love it. "Cholent"="Chaud lent" (slow heat)

It's a traditional European Jewish dish that is put up Friday morning and eaten Saturday lunch. It is indeed a 'Chaud Lent.' How we got French mixed up with our Yiddish we'll never know...

In photography terms it's a stand developed stew.

Cholentpot · Jan 4, 2017

michael_r said:
In a break with general tradition, the cholent (chulent) I grew up with didn't have the beans/barley so it was more of a basic meat stew with potatoes and carrots. But I did learn Yiddish all the way through grade school and high school so that makes up for it I think.

Need the babluch and gershten for that creamy texture. I think I've highjacked this poor thread.

faberryman · Jan 4, 2017

Sirius Glass said:
I avoid any problems by printing my half frame [aka single frame] negative with a 4"x5" glass negative carrier.

I print all formats with a 4x5 glass negative carrier. Keeps the negatives flat. I rarely have a problem with dust.

MattKing · Jan 4, 2017

So the Cholent Pot is a traditional version of the currently trendy "Sous Vide" cooking.
Does that mean you can use a Cholent Pot for temperature control for colour film developing?

Cholentpot · Jan 5, 2017

MattKing said:
So the Cholent Pot is a traditional version of the currently trendy "Sous Vide" cooking.
Does that mean you can use a Cholent Pot for temperature control for colour film developing?

No joke Matt,

I'm looking at one of those Inkbird thingies that have a temp probe. I'm going to hook it up to my pot and float my seltzer bottles full of dev and blix in there until it hits the right temp.

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