The color developing agents CD-1, CD-2, CD-3, and CD-4 can all be used as substitutes for PPD in fine grain developers. CD-1 and CD-2 are chemically very similar to PPD. They are also cheaper than the other two. However, they also produce allergic reactions and cross sensitization. CD-3 and CD-4 are somewhat safer to use. Interestingly the color developing agents have also replaced developing agents that are no longer made such as Atomal.
Kodak's answer to the Sease formula was D-25. By lowering the pH of the developer development times were lengthened thereby the solvent action of the sulfite has more time to work. Same fine grain without the danger of PPD.
P-Aminolphenol Hydrochloride is Rodinal. As a substitute usable I wouldAn old friend and I were talking about film developers and he mentioned that he wished he could get his hands on Edwal's 12 film developer again. He said it was one of his favorites from years gone bye and now he wants to start doing his own developing and printing again. I told him he could mix his own with chems from Photographers Formulary or just buy their ready made Developer 12. I told him if he bought the chemicals (I gave him the recipe from the cookbook) he could use my scales and magnetic stirrer to make his batch. He emailed me a couple of days later and said you can't buy PPD (p-Phenylenediamine) at Photographers Formulary and bought the Developer 12 mix instead. I was curious and checked myself and he was right. I then started looking for a place to buy it and came up empty handed. Does anyone no where to buy PPD? Also, I remember Gerald Koch, I think, saying something about color developer CD-1 or CD-2 could be used instead of PPD. What about P-Aminophenol Hydrochloride as a substitute?
The color developing agents CD-1, CD-2, CD-3, and CD-4 can all be used as substitutes for PPD in fine grain developers. CD-1 and CD-2 are chemically very similar to PPD. They are also cheaper than the other two. However, they also produce allergic reactions and cross sensitization. CD-3 and CD-4 are somewhat safer to use. Interestingly the color developing agents have also replaced developing agents that are no longer made such as Atomal.
Kodak's answer to the Sease formula was D-25. By lowering the pH of the developer development times were lengthened thereby the solvent action of the sulfite has more time to work. Same fine grain without the danger of PPD.
All true, Ian, however the use of ascorbic acid is new as Jay finds it to be superadditive with PPD, opening up possibilities that were previously unknown.Salicylic acid and similar were used with PPD many years ago, definitely before WWII so not a new approach at all.
Ian
P-Aminolphenol Hydrochloride is Rodinal. As a substitute usable I would
say - but a little bit different with ist effects to Film as developer.
Instead of it you could name many substitudes - but with the work of
reformulation.
Perhaps Geralds D-25 is indeed the
nearest developer as complete substitude.
With regards
Any PPD will work. In my comments the term PPD is meant to include the basic compound and all of its derivatives up through CD6. They all work, but need a boosting agent to achieve the true speed of the emulsion. Above posts indicate what some of them are. They work fine, but you have to understand the underlying chemistry that is working here before you come up with a suitable formula that works. It can yield outstanding results. These formulas were developed (pun unintended) in KRL but never commercialized. I have no exact formula.
PE
I think that AA is not the answer if you consider the chemistry.
PE
All true, Ian, however the use of ascorbic acid is new as Jay finds it to be superadditive with PPD, opening up possibilities that were previously unknown.
That said, this is not The Last Word On Film Developers by any means. There are likely all manner of things around that may do as well, or better than anything we have to date, just waiting to be stumbled across.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if someone came up with the New Miracle Developer: Deadskunkinol...
Who said anything about grails? All I said was, here's a new spin on using PPD. I couldn't agree more; there's no one perfect film/camera/developer/paper, etc., because we all have different outlooks. You guys take this stuff waaaay too seriously! Buy some drums...People are seeking the holy grail of developers once again. This has all been thrashed out before. There just isn't one. It is a futile quest, sorry.
People are seeking the holy grail of developers once again. This has all been thrashed out before. There just isn't one. It is a futile quest, sorry.
Not to be argumentative, but bumblebees aren't supposed to be able to fly, either.I think that AA is not the answer if you consider the chemistry.
PE
Kodak Research had two extraordinary B&W developers when that division was shut down in about 1990. The answer was not AA.
Yes, there is a Santa Claus, or at least a potential pair of magic bullets out there. No, I do not have a formula and yes it would take a lot of R&D to get one.
PE
I don't pretend ascorbic acid is any kind of miracle, but neither would I have believed coffee in an alkaline solution would reduce silver either. And I sure hope no one gets too darn serious about Urinol. But we shouldn't poo-poo something that works, yais..?Kodak Research had two extraordinary B&W developers when that division was shut down in about 1990. The answer was not AA.
Yes, there is a Santa Claus, or at least a potential pair of magic bullets out there. No, I do not have a formula and yes it would take a lot of R&D to get one.
PE
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