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I'm still in the process of re-discovering photography, so I'm not at all famillure with how prints are made from positives. Whether those be black and white slides or color slides.

How is it done? Does one just use a regular enlarger and ILFOCHROME paper? What about black and white slides?

I'm totally clueless, so thank you to all.
 

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Black & white slides can be made by contact printing or using an enlarger onto a slow orthochromatic (blue sensitive) positive film. In fact you are making a negative of a negative the result is a positive.

Prints can be made from B&W slides onto conventional B&W paper which is then Reversal processed, yes you can use Ilfochrome paper but it's hard to get a neutral B&W image.

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It's a difficult process, lots of trial and error.

It's easier to get the positive scanned and lightjet printed.
 

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There are a number of methods.

Using a regular enlarger and printing on Ilfochrome is the most straightforward in some respects, but given the contrast of any reversal material--slide and print--sometimes contrast masks are needed to get good prints. It's not hard to make them, but there is a bit of a learning curve, and it does mean it takes longer to make a print, because you need to proof, expose, process and dry the mask, proof again to be sure you've got it right, and maybe make another.

Another method is using an internegative, where you photograph, enlarge or contact print the original transparency ideally with a low contrast duping film, and print the internegative normally. It's generally a good idea to make the internegative in a larger format than the original. Also takes some practice to get the contrast and color right, but once you've figured it out, it's not too difficult. Interneg prints for color, though, aren't as crisp and vivid as well made direct positives on Ilfochrome. For B&W it's not a bad approach, but rather than duping film you might use ortho film as Ian recommends or a relatively neutral pan film like TMX.

Reversal processing of B&W paper is another option, and now there is a direct positive paper that uses the normal processing sequence available from Efke through Freestyle Photo. The contrast is high, so it might take some experimentation to figure out the best exposure and development techniques.
 

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i have had success projecting a slide to the size i wanted and printed it as a negative onto
photo paper ( internegative david spoke about ) and then contact printing that onto another
sheet of photo paper. it is just like making a regular print.

i have never made color prints from color slides,
but i have reproduced black and white as well as color slides this way ( onto b/w paper ).
it's not hard, and sometimes you enjoy the negative more then the positive ...
 

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For B&W slides

It's a long time since I made B&W slides, but the results I got were amazing. I used the Celer Reverser from Speedibrews on Tech Pan, rated at 400. The tonal range was jaw-dropping! With Tech Pan being history, you'll need to experiment, as the ISO changes significantly with this process.

http://www.speedibrews.free-online.co.uk/photochems.htm
 
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Thank you everyone. :smile:

When I can finally get a darkroom setup (maybe this summer?) I can start to experiment and develop my own film.

Until then, I'm stuck with viewing slides with one of those $3 slide viewers. (I can't really justify paying $200 for a good loupe, plus more for a light table.)
 
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You can get a light box for $50 and a loupe on Ebay for less than $200. Worth doing I think.
 

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If you are talking about 35mm, used slide projectors are quite easy to obtain at quite low prices.

IMHO, there is nothing as effective as a well projected slide.

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yes you can use Ilfochrome paper but it's hard to get a neutral B&W image.

Ian


I get a lab to do Ilfochrome prints and don't print them myself, so can't really comment on this. If you use a decent Ilfochrome printer (I use BPD in the UK), there is no problem getting neutral b+w prints from slides.

I use dr5 for all my b+w work and have had many Ilfochromes printed from b+w slides, mostly from Ilford Delta and Kodak T-Max.The only film that's a little iffy is the now-dicontinued Agfa Scala.

I know APUG isn't the place to discuss this, but scanning b+w transparencies and printing them through a high-end process like Lambda produces beautiful prints too.

If you want any more info, PM me.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Gavin
 
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