POP (Printing out Paper)

Haim Bresheeth · Feb 10, 2015

Does anyone out there know where one is able to purchase POP (Print out Paper, Kentmere or otherwise) anywhere in Europe or the USA? I could not find a supplier on the Web. Looking for A3 size or similar?

Thanks

Haim

Barry S · Feb 10, 2015

I don't think there's any commercially available POP papers left.

Pioneer · Feb 10, 2015

Lodima.org is the only source I know for Contact Printing paper, sometimes called POP. But it is a bit more expensive than your typical photo papers.

Barry S · Feb 10, 2015

Lodima is a developing out paper--different animal.

BrianShaw · Feb 10, 2015

I think the OP is interested in a "self-developing" POP, not a developing-out paper like Lodima. I never heard of contact printing paper referred to as POP, but I'm not all-knowing so maybe I'm ill-informed.

But no matter, no POP is made any more. I hope someday someone will start again but...

BrianShaw · Feb 10, 2015

... or Chicago Albumen Works Centennial POP. Sure do miss that too!

pdeeh · Feb 10, 2015

BrianShaw said:
But no matter, no POP is made any more. I hope someday someone will start again but...

well, I make mine in my bathroom

Pioneer · Feb 10, 2015

BrianShaw said:
I think the OP is interested in a "self-developing" POP, not a developing-out paper like Lodima. I never heard of contact printing paper referred to as POP, but I'm not all-knowing so maybe I'm ill-informed.

But no matter, no POP is made any more. I hope someday someone will start again but...

It is probably me who is mistaken. I do use it as DOP so probably misinterpreted at some point. Thanks for the correction.

BrianShaw · Feb 10, 2015

pdeeh said:
well, I make mine in my bathroom

seriously, or am I missing the joke? I have a bathroom so maybe I can make some too.

On second thought... don't bother responding. I think I know what you are talking about. Or maybe I just have a very sophomoric mind.

pdeeh · Feb 10, 2015

You're being sophomoric Brian!

I make salted paper in my bathroom ...

removed account4 · Feb 10, 2015

Yes, there is a printing out paper available

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victor has something like the old POP Centennial ...
his website has information about the paper which
he makes by hand.

i have never used it, and have no other information about it ..

Gerald C Koch · Feb 10, 2015

The purpose behind POP no longer exists and it is therefore no longer commercially available. It gave commercial portrait photographers a way of providing a client with ephemeral proofs. The customer could evaluate which poses they liked from actual size prints. Then they could order permanent ones. The photographer was saved the trouble of developing proofs and also assured that the client would have to pay for prints. The proofs faded with exposure to light. A bit cynical but that was the way things worked

doughowk · Feb 10, 2015

I bought some from Victor some time ago. It worked similar to Centennial POP (of which I still have a box in freezer); but the collodian POP has a short shelf life.

NedL · Feb 10, 2015

Some day I will try this homemade POP. I'm having too much fun with salt prints now, so it may be a few years. Also there are threads on APUG about converting normal DOP to POP, and I've played with that quite a lot, but the best results I've seen online were made by brushing a weak ( 1 or 2 percent ) solution of silver nitrate onto the DOP. I have not tried that. I think the fellow who did that is also an APUG member but I'd have to search around to remember who it was... he had a series of nice printed-out contact prints of an old tree, made with various papers and various toners.

Here is the link I was thinking of. It was 4% AgNO3.

removed account4 · Feb 10, 2015

ned

was it Lars melberg?
I can't seem to find his username or gallery images

===
OP
here is a thread about good old faux POP conversions
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

have fun!
john

Vaughn · Feb 10, 2015

There is a POP platinum process, too. I have just used the DOP platinum/palladium process. I do have many negatives that could use the POP over the DOP, as the self-masking in the POP process would allow me to print some high contrast negatives in platinum -- but they already print fine in carbon so I haven't explored that yet.

NedL · Feb 10, 2015

jnanian said:
ned
was it Lars melberg?
I can't seem to find his username or gallery images

John,

I think Lars is the one who suggested the soak in potassium nitrate, which is what I've played around with.

This fellow brushes silver nitrate onto the paper. I think he made a couple posts on APUG but I can't find them.

NedL · Feb 10, 2015

I just went back and re-read Liam Lawless' article, and it is striking how close it is to salt printing. The only real difference is a bit more gelatin ( around 4% ) and a mixture of sodium chloride and sodium citrate. The short self life and most everything else he describes about making the print is nearly the same. Some people add sodium citrate to salting solutions for salt prints, and some people add higher amounts of gelatin. So in the end, the most important difference would seem to be that the silver nitrate is mixed with the gelatin prior to coating, instead of coating in two steps.

Also, his article must be describing something different than what was sold, since it has a short shelf life like salt print paper. The commercial POP must be more of an emulsion.

erikg · Feb 10, 2015

It was a sad day for me when I learned that the Kentmere POP didn't make the jump to the Ilford/Harman line. Kentmere made the Centennial paper. POP has unique qualities which helped it survive long after its use as a studio paper was over, but sadly most of the papers we use now have a limited commercial value. Maybe I just need to take the course at the Eastman House and make my own.

gzinsel · Feb 10, 2015

there is a pretty good "write up" on unblinking eye about making your own POP

BrianShaw · Feb 10, 2015

doughowk said:
I bought some from Victor some time ago. It worked similar to Centennial POP (of which I still have a box in freezer); but the collodian POP has a short shelf life.

Will it gold tone? I'm assuming it will but not sure.

Jerevan · Feb 11, 2015

Here is another link, with an example photograph too:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Iceman55 · Jan 31, 2018

Update: I found two sources for Printing out paper. Freestyle Photographic sells a kit and the paper which you coat with the kit. First-call Photographic in England sells POP paper in 5x7 and 8x10 sizes.
Or you can do like they did 100 years ago and get the chemicals and do it yourself. There are lots of sources for the make your own POP paper.
BTW Lodima makes an Azo paper for contact printing. Different animal.

Peter Schrager · Feb 2, 2018

The class I took at the Eastman house was a pop but using collodion...it has no relation at all to the centennial paper...
If you want see nice prints from the centennial check out Linda Conner...
No go make your own because that's what's available

removed account4 · Feb 2, 2018

OP
if you want to make it yourself, along peter's lines
you can go to thelightfarm.com
right on the front page there are 2 articles on making
your own POP paper. and examples made with the recipe

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