Plustek 120 scanner review

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Les, count me in if you're prepared to send to the UK. I'd love to give this a shot.
 

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Out if curiosity, which portra?

Also, I will admit, I only shoot B&W and transparency film, I tend to dislike C-41 because I find that it doesn't give the look I want, so I'm not as familiar with the scanning technique I would need for CN film. But I'm warming to the idea of it.

Anyway it doesn't matter to me if someone else does it. My scanner is fairly clean, but seems the inner glass is starting to show signs if "outgassing" on the inside of the scanner. Wish there were an easy way to take the glass out to get rid of that.
 

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This thread has strayed pretty far from the Plustek 120. Can we start a new thread for new topics?
 

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This thread has strayed pretty far from the Plustek 120.

Yes and no. Any discussion of the Plustek inevitably has the Epson lurking in the background. For a lot of MF shooters eyeing up the Plustek, the main question is, does it offer anything significant over its much cheaper rival? Reassessing the Epson's true abilities (in conjunction with the betterscanning holders) is therefore relevant in examining the Plustek's value proposition, IMO.
 

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+1
 

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How about if some plustek owners upload full Rez scans? To get back on topic...


Apologies for the loooong delay in coming back here, folks.
There was an intervening overseas holiday, followed by a very tight deadline at work.
Result: I haven't exactly been spending any quality time with the Otpicfilm 120 since my last post.
Or with scanning at all, for that matter!

On the good side: I just found out vuescan now supports the Opticfilm120.
Have downloaded it to my Winpro64 desktop and indeed it works peachy.
There likely will be a few obscure bugs to clean up, but if my past experience with vuescan is anything to go by the author will do a super job of fixing any leftovers.

Both the Coolscan9K and the Opticfilm120 are now working peachy with my 64bit Winpro desktop and my preferred scanner software, which has taken a big weight off my shoulders! Took a while to make Nikonscan grok 64-bit win7, but I got it after some chook blood incantations and raw editing of config files.

More importantly, what this lets me do is an A:B comparison with my Coolscan9000ED: vuescan of course also works with that one and now I can eliminate one more variable from the comparison.

What I'm planning to do is use some colour negatives I've got on 35mm Fuji 400ISO film to compare the two.
And some Astia100 and Provia 100 I just got back from the recent trip, also 35mm.

Same images, same film, same software, hopefully just the scanner as the variable.

Now, the output of these things at max rez is HUGE, even in jpg. Which leads me to think I'll just crop little bits of the resulting images where it makes sense (small detail on colour negative and dense areas on slide) and upload those.
In the interest of keeping my sanity and bank account under control.

What say you?
Is this a good approach?
Any further ideas/suggestions on how to proceed?
 

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Cool. I've got some leave coming up after a few 80-hour weeks on the latest IT madness.
As soon as I have some results that are significant, I'll pop them up.
 

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35mm results for coolscan9000 and opticfilm120

OK folks, first of all, my apologies for the terrible delay.
I was surprised by some extra urgent work and the whole saga of upgrading my systems struck again after my last message.
A firewire card for the Coolscan9000 stopped working altogether at the worse of times (Xmas break!)
Have you tried to source a pci-e firewire card of late? Let me tell you: it's NOT an easy exercise!
I've got a spare one now, just in case!

Anyways, here goes.

Two images on 35mm Provia100F, taken around Oct 2013.
Used Silverfast for Opticfilm120 scan with the emulsion facing up ( sharper in my scanner).
Nikonscan for the 9000 (emulsion down) with my custom 35mm holder (ANglass and a metal frame) to keep things flat.

AF in the 9000 taken across various points, with an average final value.
The OF120 has fixed focus, only expedite way to change it is to move the film itself (emulsion down, emulsion up).

I tried to equalize as much as I could the colours, but I'll say this:
the colours in the OF120 examples are EXACTLY the ones of the original slides.
The ones for the Coolscan 9000 are off, mostly because I used DEE to try and recover dark areas: that slightly changes colours.
Not a radical change, but enough to be noticed in an A:B comparo like this.

The Opticfilm120 images are prefixed "inof", the ones for the 9000 are "in9k" with "n"being a serial number.
The crop (full size) names are self-explanatory, given the line above.

Opticfilm120: 5300dpi scans, downressed to same size as the Coolscan 4000dpi scans.
In a nutshell: 7500 pixels across largest dimension downressed to approx. 5660.

Sharpening was with Focus Magic, latest version.
The OF120 images can be sharpened a LOT more than the Coolscan ones.
I guess that is an artifact of the higher dpi not really resolving much more.
Of course: when not pixel-peeping the amount of sharpening and its artifacts are not as relevant.

I then downressed both whole images using Irfanview Lanczos filtering and those the "whole" images you see here.

First,a bush, whole images:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i1of.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i19k.jpg

Now crops of the above, actual size and as similar as I could make them:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i1ofcrop1.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i1ofcrop2.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i19kcrop1.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i19kcrop2.jpg

Note on the first crop how for the OF120 the yellow leaf on the bottom-right actually has more surface detail (the ribs) than the 9000, even though the little flowers appear sharper on the 9000. I don't know why. The same happens on the second crop on lighter densities.

The OF120 does a worse job of detail in the dark because it does not have DEE applied.
Likely something that could be corrected with selective curves - but I'd like to have a life!

Second a local chieftain in East Timor, whole images:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i2of.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i29k.jpg

Now crops of the above, actual size and as similar as I could make them:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i2ofcrop1.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i2ofcrop2.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i29kcrop1.jpg
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/dpug/i29kcrop2.jpg

Note how the 9000 DEE can make a much better job of the dark set eyes than the OF silverfast can, although it changes the overall colour cast.
Likely things could be improved if I knew how to better use Silverfast, or with extensive masking with an image editor.

But the results are clearly much easier to get with the DEE stuff. In fact, I've found over the years that I use DEE on just about every single portrait I scan on the 9000: it makes for a much better image, although care must be taken with its tendency to change colours at apparently random.

Have a long look, it's all there. Any suggestions for further tests are most welcome.

I also have the latest 8 images in my gallery at dA, taken with Fuji Xtra400 (colour negative) and scanned with the Opticfilm120 using vuescan:
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The photos were taken during the 2012 Xmas period and only scanned now
(that's how long my scanners have been out of action due to pc issues...)


My conclusions at this stage?

For portraits with slide film - particularly very difficult ones with lots of contrast - I still like the 9000 and its DEE better.

For everything else, I can't honestly say one is better than the other.

The OF120 with vuescan does a brilliant job with Fuji Xtra400 film: the colours are natural and don't look cheap like they do with the 9000. I guess Ed Hamrick's profile for that film type is a better one than the default 9000 profile for colour negative.

For slide film, I prefer the 9000 although the OF120 is very close with Silverfast. Vuescan is not as good for slide film, I'm afraid.
I still have to pass some feedback on this to Ed Hamrick, I'm sure he can fix that at some stage. In a nutshell, the infra-red image cleaning for slides in vuescan makes everything fuzzy. Not for colour negatives, though. I suspect a problem of some sort in the calculations and process.

The slide film colours with the OF are a lot closer to the originals, while DEE on the 9000 definitely changes them.
DEE is great for slide film portraits, but for lansdcape or nature it can be quite annoying.

The time saved with the fixed focus of the Opticfilm is a factor in its favour. The 9000 is terribly fidly to get the exact averaged ideal focus point. And of course, that fiddling destroys the batch scanning workflow. The 9000 is slightly faster overall in the scans, but then again the OF was doing 5300dpi while the 9000 is doing 4000!

With the Opticfilm, I just batch prescan and colour correct, then scan the lot in one go.
Particularly with vuescan, this is very efficient and fast.

With the 9000, I have the additional step of figuring out the exact ideal focus for each frame.
While the 9000 may be marginally faster in the actual scan, its fiddly focus detracts from the overall time. And this is with AN glass holding things as flat as possible. Without it, it's a nightmare!

Anyways, here it is.
 
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Interesting, thank you. The Opticfilm scan of the chieftain appears to be quite heavily smoothed; not at all film-like. Any thoughts? I suspect it might be the result of sharpening with a too-large radius.
 

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Yeah, I agree entirely, well spotted. From memory I was playing with the sharpening settings in Silverfast for other frames and may indeed have set the radius too wide for this one. I'll see if I can get a better result with vuescan - I never use built-in sharpening with that one.
 
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Thanks for the upload comparison Nuno.

Unfortunately the results from the Nikon are just so far ahead of the PlusTek in my opinion, thats a shame. It does seem to have decent detail the Plustek but I have to wonder how much you've sharpended the images and or added smoothing, as the closeup of the guys head looks horrible. Far more pleasing results from the NIkon and much better at handling highlights whereas the plustek totally loses the highlights.

Even the first shot of the plants looks great on the Nikon where the Plustek reminds me of flatbed scanners - just the colour rendition. Maybe Plustek will get it right with the next release.
 

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Cheers for the comparison

Thanks for the upload comparison Nuno.

Unfortunately the results from the Nikon are just so far ahead of the PlusTek in my opinion, thats a shame. It does seem to have decent detail the Plustek but I have to wonder how much you've sharpended the images and or added smoothing, as the closeup of the guys head looks horrible. Far more pleasing results from the NIkon and much better at handling highlights whereas the plustek totally loses the highlights.

Even the first shot of the plants looks great on the Nikon where the Plustek reminds me of flatbed scanners - just the colour rendition. Maybe Plustek will get it right with the next release.
 
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