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Pliobond 25 VOC Compliant STINKS like condensed cat piss.

Literally. No kidding.

I have been trying to clear the air in my office for a day now, and I was able to diminish the smell only after I took the camera I glued the leather down on outside and blasted it with a hot hairdryer for about 5 minutes.

Disgusting.
 
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I gotta wonder if I'll ever put that camera near my face again...
 

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Lots of low VOC tweaks won't even dry in cold damp weather. Not just glues, but varnishes, stains, certain paints. Intermediate technologies are always a headache. When VOC reduction was first mandated in this state almost 40 yrs ago, the modified products were so-so, and so many more layers had to be applied that the net VOC's by the time the job was finished were way higher than before. Then they had to be reapplied far more often, and drove the actual cumulative VOC's even higher. And it took at least a couple decades for the technology to catch up with the legal mandate. Europe was already way ahead of the US in certain categories. Then when the push to zero VOC paints came along, minus any chemical preservatives, those paints would spoil just like milk, and start smelling rancid. You couldn't just buy a can of this and that and still reliably use it a couple years later. The worst phase was when smog-forming VOC's were being replaced with downright carcinogenic solvents which didn't form smog. It was a wild ride.
But you simply can't trust anything with a formula change unless you test it first under relevant circumstances. A glue that labeled as curing overnight might be true in summer conditions in a lab in Los Angeles, but might not ever cure if someone takes it up to a winter cabin in the mountains above that very city. I never cared much for Pliobond anyway. Barge Cement seemed more reliable. But it might have been messed with to. Products can even vary State to State, or around here, County to County, depending on the specific rules.
 

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I recall reading that some medical conditions, like brain tumors, can make things smell like cat pee. I hope it’s not time for an MRI of the noggin!
 
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I've been using it for years and have no lingering smell.
Which do you have the Rusco product or the Ashland product?
https://ruscoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/3-Pliobond-25-LV-TD.pdf

Rusco. I cannot believe I am using the same glue as you.

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No, it doesn't smell like condensed cat piss, it smells a lot worse; but it works great and the smell fades rapidly after it cures.
 

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Pliobond is a brand with more than one kind of adhesive. So you have to be more specific. Our house has three old cats living in it, who, just like human old folks, have accidents sometimes. So everything smells like pee, and my wife has to pull out the rug machine frequently. There is a kind of brain infection rare in humans but otherwise caught by rats which attracts them to cat pee, and therefore more easily caught and eaten. That's why I always keep our kitties well fed. They are carnivores, and I am potentially dinner if I age faster than them and limp slower. One old lady cat had a leg amputated due to cancer, so doesn't get around much anymore at all, but does get extra pampered. And as long as pee still stinks to me, I guess I'm still relatively sane and don't have rat virus in my brain yet. Look at the list of ingredients in the glue, possibly on the MSDS sheet, and see if it does contain urea, a common ingredient in certain glue categories. Perhaps the glue chemist had rat virus and enjoyed the smell !
 

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Cleaning the litter box can cause you to inhale the 'eggs' of those cat worms, so be careful.

People and rats that have these are much less likely to be cautious, which is why the cats can catch the rats more easily, IIRC.
 
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The smell has finally dissipated, but it took quite a while.

I will still be sourcing the old Full VOC type for my next project! :sick:
 

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I'm just trying to figure out where Kino has previously encountered condensed cat piss?:whistling::wink:
 
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You really don't want to know...
 

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I could send you some. One of the cats just used the litter box. Cat litter is amazing stuff. We used to ship cargo container loads of it to Naval bases and defense contractors all across the Pacific. It was their top secret formula for hazmat liquid or leftover paint disposal. It would be even cheaper used.
More sick anecdotal information ... Another trade secret was how to obtain an accelerated true verdis gris finish on bronze or copper - just bury the piece of hardware in used cat litter for a couple of weeks. I prefer to do it using liquid vinegar and ammonia instead; still stinky but not as disgusting. We happen to have a true bronze door threshold and outdoor kickplate. It has a distinct verdis gris trickle pattern that has to be scrubbed off from time to time due to territorial cat behavior.
But on a final positive note, I made an almost tie-dye verdis gris effect on the groundglass protector to my 8X10 by taking a copper-clad sheet of thin fiberglass from the electronics store and swirling around alternating trays of vinegar and ammonia.
Coolest ground glass back ever, even though I was never a hippie.
 
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My dogs will remove any offending odiferous feline detritus in a matter of minutes. If I were to use an adhesive that had that particular smell, they would eat it in short order.
Just sayin'...
 
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