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To all the experienced fans of wanderlust I come seeking your input. In the initial stages of planning a cross country summer road trip. Left coast to right coast of the lower 48. Interstates are fundamentally banned. What would be your dream photographic roadie route from the pacific to the atlantic? Premium to all homage of Warren Oates, i.e. two lane blacktop. Mixing and matching different highways allowed as long as it more or less goes west to east not north to south. Any and all suggestions welcome of can't miss spots. Photographically no limitations. I enjoy any and all possibilities on a trip like this. Lets give the trip a ten day time limit. Bonus points for a good diner pie suggestions. If I've left anything out put it in for me.

thanks,

Zebra
 
I always thought a north-south trip would be fun. Follow the Mississippi from the gulf to Minnesota, then take a lap around Lake Superior while you're up there.
 
You've got to use a little bit of interstate to put you quickly out of the suburban hell that is the area between Oakland and Livermore. Once you're out that way, get on 88 and take it up through the Gold Rush Country to Sutter Creek. Wander back down on 49 until you get to 108, take it through Sonora, and up around the north side of Yosemite, through the Sonora Pass. If you time it right, you can be ascending the 9980 feet mark at the top of the Sonora Pass at sunset, which is an absolutely spectacular view. Follow 108 down the other side of the Sierra to 395 and Bridgeport. Crash for the night there, or if you have time, drive on a little farther and stay at the Tioga Lodge (wonderfully nice folks who run the place...). Follow 395 down the East side of the Sierra, and explore to your heart's content. Definitely take a swing through the Manzanar internment camp for a view of one of this country's darker hours. Grab 190 down around Lone Pine and head through Death Valley on into Nevada. After that, you're on your own until you get to back East here. For nostalgia/history/photo opportunity's sake, try and follow the OLD Route 66 across the south as much as you can.

Another alternative, just hop on the old Route 30, Lincoln Highway. Have to get yourself up to Portland, Oregon, and then hop on. It will take you through all kinds of little towns and wide open spaces, and drop you off near Philadelphia. I'm not sure if it runs parallel to or was subsumed by I-80 in spots through Wyoming, but that road is so amazing by itself that I wouldn't object to being on the interstate for that part.
 
When should I start packing the camper?
 
I cannot believe this place still exists, but if you go through mississippi, then you got see this place just so you can shake your head in disbelief:

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To all the experienced fans of wanderlust I come seeking your input. In the initial stages of planning a cross country summer road trip. Left coast to right coast of the lower 48. Interstates are fundamentally banned. What would be your dream photographic roadie route from the pacific to the atlantic? Premium to all homage of Warren Oates, i.e. two lane blacktop. Mixing and matching different highways allowed as long as it more or less goes west to east not north to south. Any and all suggestions welcome of can't miss spots. Photographically no limitations. I enjoy any and all possibilities on a trip like this. Lets give the trip a ten day time limit. Bonus points for a good diner pie suggestions. If I've left anything out put it in for me.

thanks,

Zebra
 
A cross country road trip in 10 days? I think not, not if you plan on spending any time looking around and taking pictures.
 
Look at US2, it's that little black line that goes from Washington to Wisconsin. I always wanted to take the trip once. Maybe, someday . . .
 
Dear Zebra,

My wife and I have driven across the USA (CA to East Coast, or back) about 8 times between 1987 and last February. A few pieces of advice:

ALWAYS inspect the room before you take it.

Ask for 'commercial rate'. It may save you 10 per cent.

Avoid m/hotels labelled AMERICAN OWNED AND RUN, as this is shorthand for 'rundown dump owned by xenophobic redneck'. M/Hotels where you can smell curry from the owner's quarters may still be run down but you'll always get a better welcome (unless you're a xenophobic redneck...)

Carry the basics for lots of (canned) picnics, including wine. There are places where you can't get decent food at any price; places that are 'dry'; and places where the restaurants close unbelievably early (especially Pennsylvania for some reason).

In fact, you've given me an idea for a new module in The Photo School at www.rogerandfrances.com...

Cheers,

Roger
 
I am sure you mean well and are trying to be helpful but I would venture to say that Zebra spends maybe 75 or more nights in hotels a year for his day job. Travel is an intregal part of his daily life.

lee\c
 
hi zebra:

if you find yourself in the ct/ri hinterlands
try aunt carries - it is a seafood hut near
the beaches near rt 89 in rhode island
kind of near ct. the "middle of nowhere diner" is on rt 102
(aka victory highway) in ri it has good food and good prices.

for a "spooky stop" you can visit mercy brown's gravesite
in the chestnut hill cemetary also on rt 102 ...
its down a bit from purgatory road and the sodom trail ..
they say she was a vampire
when she was burried the priest said
" the ground will be filled with snakes"
and under the topsoil the ground was filled with just that,
thousands of snakes, the priest also said " from this day
forward, no grass will ever grow on mercy brown's grave"
i have been there a few times, and as the priest was right,
its just a patch of dirt ...

have fun on your trip!
john
 
Clay,

Thats what I'm talkin' about hombre! More and More of that!

Roger,

sorry to disappoint but I stay in the all the nice places for work (Lee you almost had it!-- up by another 50 nights and thats about right Whatever it is its too many!) so the more 'chararcter' a motel has i.e. the less inspection the better is what this trip is all about! Close to the bone, shed off some of that corporate insulation around my life.

John and all the rest those are excellent suggestions and will help make a great itinerary when it all shakes out. Thanks and keep em comin'

Monty
 
US Hwy 6. San Fran to New York. Read "On the Road" for the Colorado to NY part.
 
Two weeks ago my wife and I went over Tioga Pass at night. I learned later that it's the highest pass in California. We had our RV trailer in tow and it was cold, dark and long. You know you are at the wrong time of year and the wrong time of day when the sign to Yosemite that says "Pay on the way out". It was the longest drive from Las Vegas there must be. The one suggestion I would make is watch the gas. It can be a long way between fill ups. I didn't have any problems but can see that road help could be difficult.
 
When your near home, on the Blue Ridge Parkway near milemarker 165 is the Tuggle Gap diner. It's a hole in the wall with the best coconut cream pie in the world. Have you taken the Natchez Trace from Natchez Mississippi up to Nashville? The swamps just north of Jackson Miss. are very pretty and easy to shoot in. Boardwalks and clear trails.
 
PS. There's also a small "American owned" motel next to the diner.
BTW, Roger this is not the lounge or soap box. Your anti-american bias is showing again. How boring.
 
My wife and I have driven across the USA (CA to East Coast, or back) about 8 times between 1987 and last February. A few pieces of advice:

ALWAYS inspect the room before you take it.

Ask for 'commercial rate'. It may save you 10 per cent.

Avoid m/hotels labelled AMERICAN OWNED AND RUN, as this is shorthand for 'rundown dump owned by xenophobic redneck'. M/Hotels where you can smell curry from the owner's quarters may still be run down but you'll always get a better welcome (unless you're a xenophobic redneck...)

Carry the basics for lots of (canned) picnics, including wine. There are places where you can't get decent food at any price; places that are 'dry'; and places where the restaurants close unbelievably early (especially Pennsylvania for some reason).
 
Roger what is with this crap? Inspect the room? Ask for a commerical rate? Maybe you mean bring your own cheese and wine and camp in the woods to avoid Americans.

Curt
 
To all the experienced fans of wanderlust I come seeking your input. In the initial stages of planning a cross country summer road trip. Left coast to right coast of the lower 48. Interstates are fundamentally banned. What would be your dream photographic roadie route from the pacific to the atlantic? Premium to all homage of Warren Oates, i.e. two lane blacktop. Mixing and matching different highways allowed as long as it more or less goes west to east not north to south. Any and all suggestions welcome of can't miss spots. Photographically no limitations. I enjoy any and all possibilities on a trip like this. Lets give the trip a ten day time limit. Bonus points for a good diner pie suggestions. If I've left anything out put it in for me.

thanks,

Zebra

Follow the remnants of US 66 to Chicago - take US 6 to New England from there....

I always thought a north-south trip would be fun. Follow the Mississippi from the gulf to Minnesota, then take a lap around Lake Superior while you're up there.

Sounds like Highway 51 (or is it 41?).

As the other "dude" says - gotta' get yourselves a "hippie van"....:D
 
Roger what is with this crap? Inspect the room? Ask for a commerical rate? Maybe you mean bring your own cheese and wine and camp in the woods to avoid Americans.

Curt

Curt what is with this crap? You expect Roger to say anything positive about America? He is what he is. :wink:
 
Hi George, what is Roger? I have his book, want to buy it? I'm not totally sure that Roger Hicks wrote those remarks after some thinking about it. I was just starting to like Roger but once again I am mistaken. Why would someone go repeatedly to a country, I think he said 8 times in a year, when they think the accommodations are filthy and unfit for human habitation?

Best Regards,

Curt
 
To all the experienced fans of wanderlust I come seeking your input. In the initial stages of planning a cross country summer road trip. Left coast to right coast of the lower 48. Interstates are fundamentally banned. What would be your dream photographic roadie route from the pacific to the atlantic? Premium to all homage of Warren Oates, i.e. two lane blacktop. Mixing and matching different highways allowed as long as it more or less goes west to east not north to south. Any and all suggestions welcome of can't miss spots. Photographically no limitations. I enjoy any and all possibilities on a trip like this. Lets give the trip a ten day time limit. Bonus points for a good diner pie suggestions. If I've left anything out put it in for me.

thanks,

Zebra

A friend and I did a road trip in Northern CA, including the coast, Tahoe, and of course Yosemite ending it in SF. It was awesome! But we had to fly there(from AR) and then borrow a VW Vanagon.

I once did a trip from AR to NC, as far as Ashville anyway. (I really dug your town!) I included Nashville, Nantahala(sp?), the Smokies, and part of Virginia and the AT. I spent about 12 days total.

Don't rule out heading West and South too. Arkansas has a lot to offer, despite what many say. The original Doe's in Greenville, MS is a must if you are in the vincinity. I love the culture and flavor of the South and find it a great place for documetary-type photos.

I'm jealous!
 
As so often, the unnecessarily thin-skinned have taken my observations as anti-Americanism, which they aren't.

I started with the assumption this was a real 'road' trip on small roads, never knowing where you are going to end up, rather than a procession from one business hotel to the next -- where indeed there is far less need to inspect the room, though I'd still prefer one on the quiet side of the hotel, with shutters rather than curtains. Inspecting the room is a rational precaution in any hotel in any country, not just the United States, and if you are really out in the boonies, again in any country, it is foolish not to inspect it.

'American Owned and Run', as applied to motels, is a classic example of patriotism as the last refuge of a scoundrel. If that's the only claim they think it's worth making, they are all too often (as I said) xenophobic rednecks. After all, what difference does it make? Would you say that (for example) 'Albanian Owned and Run' was more or less of a recommendation? It's the very pointlessness of the claim that is the problem.

As for the food, well, as I say, I have driven across the country some 8 times (how many of my critics have done this?) and I have all too frequently come across towns where Pizza Hut is the best on offer, or where they look shocked if you ask if they serve wine with their meals, or (especially in the South) where they fry everything in salty batter. Nor are my observations on opening hours malevolent: just sheer observation. Just as I would say, if you are doing the same in Spain, that you'll be lucky to find a restaurant that opens before 21:00 or even 21:30, and that Spanish tapas are in my experience grossly overrated and rather limited: the best tapas I've has have been in London and Arles.

Yes, there are restaurants in France where the food is indifferent, and quite a few where it is overpriced, but generally you can get a fair-to-good meal at a reasonable price. England is another matter: often, there will be nowhere to eat at all, and what is on offer will normally be grossly overpriced. I carry a few basic picnic supplies on ALL road trips in ALL countries (including France), except when I am on a motorcycle and have no room.

In other words, my responses were based on experience, and referred to America because that's what the question was about. From the information above, a Spaniard might equally accuse me of being anti-Spanish and the fellow whose name I can never remember -- the one with the silly mask -- would undoubtedly accuse me of meing anti-English. Tough.

Read what I actually wrote, and you will see (for example) that I do not say that all accommodation in the US is filthy and unfit for human habitation -- just that some of it is not the sort of place you would want to stay. This is equally true of any other country in the world.

As someone else observed, why would I have driven across the country 8 times if I had that low an opinion of it? It can be fascinating -- if you take a few sensible precautions such as inspecting the room. If you don't want to take those precautions, or if you want to stay at the big, faceless business chains, the very best of luck to you, but don't attack someone who is trying to give useful advice, based on experience.

Cheers,

R.
 
In defense of Roger, I now inspect the bed carefully when I check into a hotel, having brought home little six legged guests from a stay in an expensive hotel last May. Little bastards are very tough to eradicate, which is why I haven't been printing much (most of the contents of my bedroom were in the darkroom from July to November).

As for meal times, I had dinner once in a restaurant in New Hampshire with a colleague, and they locked the door behind us when we left at 8. So you do need to be conscious of local variations in custom, and prepared to adapt. This is especially true if you are seeking out small towns. I will take exception to the fried food remark, however, being a native Virginian who has spent many years travelling in the south. In most towns you can find other options, and there is something to be said for trying barbecue in many different places to study the regional variations. I used to travel with a copy of Let's Go USA, which was good for finding places off the beaten path.

As for driving routes, my favorites are all North-South, and mostly along the coast. But if you find yourself at the southern edge of the Appalachians, I strongly suggest working your way up the chain to the Blue Ridge Parkway, which should be pretty empty this time of year.
 
I've logged 825,000 miles on US and Canadian roads in my life, and traveled about in Spain, Italy, England, and France. Food and lodging are, in my experience, hit or miss wherever you go. Some places you stop will have superb local places to eat that you will always remember, and others will have greasy spoons (that you will always remember!). If you want to experience the world, you have to take the good with the bad, and if you keep an open mind, you'll find that much of what first appears unpalatable is really quite good. As for lodging, well, I've stayed in $400 a night rooms that had dirty sheets and I've stayed in $30 rooms that were spotless. It all depends on a lot of things, but I'm certain that luck factors into it no matter how expensive the room. The same goes for food. Don't turn down the local eatery for the big name chain store. The local places have unique food (could be considered good or bad) but you won't know until you try it. I starved in Europe because they seem only to eat seafood, which I cannot eat for the most part, but what I could eat varied in quality just like here in the States. People are people no matter where they live...

DBP, damn you for bringing up barbecue! Nobody makes it right here in Florida and it's been 10 years since I had proper barbecue - now I'm gonna' have to hit the road again (thanks!). Also, the Blue Ridge Parkway is often closed during winter months due to snow, so if you go that way, check with AAA to make sure that the road is open first.

- Randy
 
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