Pink Backing Paper 620 film

[MattKing]

Does anyone have any experience with this (found) 620 film, and can they identify it?


Any suggestions as to developing times?
This thread suggests (in post 11) it is an Italian Geveart film: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/who-makes-all-the-films-anyway.4630/#post-60798

 

[pentaxuser]

Best of luck with this one, Matt. It reminds me of the colour of 620 Verichrome Pan I once tried to develop. If it is found stuff and the contents are not yours and unknown then there might be a case for using the thread we had recently about determining the development time.

Dismal Jimmy who resides in my brain says that the negatives may be "shot" but unless someone can identify it for sure and there would seem to be nothing to go on in order to do this, then the above might be the best bet. Alternatively there is always the "Bert Hardy"( U.K. photo-journalist of the 1940s/50s) method of stand development overnight.

Let us know how you get on with development.

pentaxuser

 

[koraks]

Italian Geveart

Sounds odd. Gevaert was Belgian.

 

[AgX]

This thread suggests (in post 11) it is an Italian Geveart film: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/who-makes-all-the-films-anyway.4630/#post-60798

Gevaert films were all made in Belgium, never in Italy.

 

[macfred]

I found several rolls in my father-in-law's house - alll were exposed, some in -probably- original package. I don't process those.
Package says OGAPAN Panchromatisch / Panchromatique Antihalo 40 ASA Film - Holzspule ( = wooden spool) OGA Germany Obergassner, KG München.
Exp.date is June 1975.

 

[mcfitz]

This blog post might be helpful to you for developing suggestions.

https://foundfilm.livejournal.com/16982.html

Old film developing was discussed in this forum thread: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/50-year-old-latent-images.162329/

 

[AgX]

I found several rolls in my father-in-law's house - alll were exposed, some in -probably- original package. I don't process those.
Package says OGAPAN Panchromatisch / Panchromatique Antihalo 40 ASA Film - Holzspule ( = wooden spool) OGA Germany Obergassner, KG München.
Exp.date is June 1975.

To avoid misunderstandings:
Obergassner was no manufacturer but a retailer/wholesaler, who got manufacturers to brand their products as OGA for him. Ogapan films were back once were stated to have been made in the USA. (But other sources are possible too.)

 

[macfred]

To avoid misunderstandings:
Obergassner was no manufacturer but a retailer/wholesaler, who got manufacturers to brand their products as OGA for him...

True!
--
My father-in-law told me that he's quite sure this is Gevaert film ...

 

[railwayman3]

I have a box of "Ogachrome" slides taken by my late Father in 1973 in Germany and I'm assuming he bought the film there.......the appearance , slide mounts and box look a lot like rebadged Agfacolor.

 

[cmacd123]

a lot of the brands used in the 60s used Pink paper. since no brand is shown, I wonder if it is something like 3m Dynapan, (made by ferrania) Agfa also used a pink paper.

 

[MattKing]

a lot of the brands used in the 60s used Pink paper. since no brand is shown, I wonder if it is something like 3m Dynapan, (made by ferrania) Agfa also used a pink paper.

Charles:
Thank you for the info - even if it muddied the waters even more!

 

[darkroommike]

As I recall, many films used pink tails for panchromatic films and green tails for ortho films when the pan films first came out.

 

[MattKing]

Any thoughts about the significance of the fact that the word "exposed" is printed in the four languages that are used?

 

[Arklatexian]

Sounds odd. Gevaert was Belgian.

I do remember advertisements for Agfa/Gevaert at one time and was told that, during that period, everything was made in Germany. I believe either Agfa bought Gevaert or they combined. I will ask an old friend in Belgium who worked in photography in those days and before and lives in Belgium. Or better yet, I'll ask "Wikipedia". I did and if anyone is interested look-up Agfa/Gevaert in Wikkipedia. It is too "involved" to be discussed here......Regards!

 

[AgX]

See my thread:
https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/agfa-is-not-dead-is-agfa-dead.29539/

 

[cmacd123]

Charles:
Thank you for the info - even if it muddied the waters even more!

almost all films DID have a brand on the paper or tail if they were sold under the makers name. only items sold as "private lebel" (or films who sell more private label than their own brand) would tend to use "generic" labels. (Foma does but I suspect that there private label business is at least as good as their name brand business.)

 

[darkroommike]

Any thoughts about the significance of the fact that the word "exposed" is printed in the four languages that are used?

Yes, it means the film was exposed. Sorry. It suggests to me the film was "continental" in origin rather than the USA or England, more than that? Who knows? Private label, medium speed.

 

[gordrob]

I found these two boxes of 620 film at the back of the fridge. REX for Rexall Drugs here in Canada. Made by Foma as the house brand of film for Rexall. The film came hand wrapped in tin foil.
Dated June of 1967. Instruction sheets are printed in Czechoslovakia.

 

[pentaxuser]

Let us know what conclusions, if any, you reached, Matt and how you developed it and what the results were. My own lone experience with an Agfa Isolette that contained some exposed film from 40 years before was that the negs were in remarkable condition when developed. The camera had been found in a drawer when the brother cleared his deceased brother's house of items. I think that the film was Verichrome Pan. How do I know the film was exposed 40 years before, you may ask. Well it was given to me by someone whose brother had died in the late 1990s and he authenticated pics of his brother as a young man and if I recall there was a car in it that had tied it to the late 1950s

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[MattKing]

My conclusion, so far, is that I best just guess.
There will be some education involved in the guess, but nothing conclusive.
I shall report.

 

[MattKing]

So we have a result.
I developed the film in replenished X-Tol along with my second to last 120 roll of Kodak Plus-X.
The Plus-X was exposed in flat lighting, so I bumped up my usual developing time by about 2/3 of a grade.
After loading the reel into the tank I examined the backing paper. Other than the frame numbers, the only additional information printed thereon was the words, in English, "START" and "EXPOSED".
There is no edge printing or numbers on the film, there is a fair bit of fog, and there are images too!
The negatives are also extremely curled, and that really gets in the way of both making a contact proof sheet and scanning the individual negatives. In a couple of cases, the edges of the negatives will not flatten out!
Here is one negative scan, and a scan of the contact proof sheet. Both have been adjusted digitally to increase visibility: