photoshop question

ann · Dec 14, 2007

I hope this is the correct forum for this question!

I have scanned a few negatives today and was playing around with some duotones. When saving the file there isn't a tiff option, basically only psd files and i would like to save as tiff. Any suggestion on a work around?

Another strange thing, when opening with PS, the color is there and will print with color; if i use Qimage for printing, the image appears as black and white and of course prints that way. Sometimes computers drive me wild :confused: Just don't understand how the same file can switch tones, and i mean completely not just a slight change in color tones.

Jim Moore · Dec 14, 2007

Ann, I don't have access to Photoshop right now but can you "Export" your file as a tiff instead of "Save As"?

Jim

ann · Dec 14, 2007

don't know jim, i will give it a try. thanks.

AllenR · Dec 14, 2007

Ann,

At the bottom of the Save As dialog screen is a field next to which it says "Format:". Clicking on that field brings up a list of formats in which you can save the image, including TIFF.

donbga · Dec 14, 2007

ann said:
I hope this is the correct forum for this question!

I have scanned a few negatives today and was playing around with some duotones. When saving the file there isn't a tiff option, basically only psd files and i would like to save as tiff. Any suggestion on a work around?

Another strange thing, when opening with PS, the color is there and will print with color; if i use Qimage for printing, the image appears as black and white and of course prints that way. Sometimes computers drive me wild :confused: Just don't understand how the same file can switch tones, and i mean completely not just a slight change in color tones.

Ann,

After you complete your edits in Photoshop convert the Duotone file to RGB then you can save it as a TIF. Image->Mode->RGB Color.

Don

ann · Dec 15, 2007

thanks folks, i knew someone here would come up with something.

jim, just to let you know, your suggestion didn't work. just some feedback.

allen, thanks for your suggestion; however, in duotone mode that option does not appear.

Don, worked like a charm.

thanks to everyone for helping me problem solve.

ann

Bob Carnie · Dec 15, 2007

Hi Ann

I print a lot of images in black and white that I want to have a effect much like that of a traditional print that I tone in many ways.

I find that by keeping in RGB and going to either curves or colour balance I can drive the shadows to one colour and drive the highlights to another and add colour to mid to accent the look.

I find by keeping in rgb and playing this way the effects are much more subtle and controlable

ann · Dec 15, 2007

bob carnie said:
Hi Ann

I print a lot of images in black and white that I want to have a effect much like that of a traditional print that I tone in many ways.

I find that by keeping in RGB and going to either curves or colour balance I can drive the shadows to one colour and drive the highlights to another and add colour to mid to accent the look.

I find by keeping in rgb and playing this way the effects are much more subtle and controlable

great tip, thanks.

my next learning adventure is to do something as we do with split toning and this might be very helpful.

ann

Mike Richards · Dec 15, 2007

Flatten Image

After PS actions, you may have multiple layers or a single layer that is not named "background." You need to flatten the image so that you have only one background layer, and it must be titled "background." Then save as the others have suggested. Your file format options are also somewhat limited if you are in 16 bit mode. You need to convert to 8 bit to save as a jpeg, but will lose some of the original photo information.

ann · Dec 15, 2007

lol lol lol

ah layers, what a mystery to me.

i never save as a jpeg always tiff and in 16 channel mode.

Mike Richards · Dec 15, 2007

ann said:
lol lol lol

ah layers, what a mystery to me.

i never save as a jpeg always tiff and in 16 channel mode.

OK, you don't have to solve a mystery just try Layer>Flatten Image if PS will not let you save in the 16 bit format you want.

donbga · Dec 15, 2007

Mike Richards said:
After PS actions, you may have multiple layers or a single layer that is not named "background." You need to flatten the image so that you have only one background layer, and it must be titled "background." Then save as the others have suggested. Your file format options are also somewhat limited if you are in 16 bit mode. You need to convert to 8 bit to save as a jpeg, but will lose some of the original photo information.

Why in the world would anyone want to convert to JPG?

Don Bryant

donbga · Dec 15, 2007

Mike Richards said:
OK, you don't have to solve a mystery just try Layer>Flatten Image if PS will not let you save in the 16 bit format you want.

No, no, no. Save the layers in a PSD file. Then flatten and convert to TIF. There is no need to convert to 8 bit for printing, IMO.

Don Bryant

Mike Richards · Dec 15, 2007

Don Bryant said:
Why in the world would anyone want to convert to JPG?

Don Bryant

Don,

I'm not advocating 8 bit conversion. For those who wish to do so, you save disk space with jpg format.

Mike Richards · Dec 16, 2007

Don Bryant said:
No, no, no. Save the layers in a PSD file. Then flatten and convert to TIF. There is no need to convert to 8 bit for printing, IMO.

Don Bryant

Why the three nos? You said the same thing as I did.

donbga · Dec 16, 2007

Mike Richards said:
Don,

For those who wish to do so, you save disk space with jpg format.

Specious thinking considering how cheap storage is now.

Don Bryant

Bob Carnie · Dec 16, 2007

I would only save to jpeg for the web,
Our workflow is something like this for images

Original folder( this is usually supplied by client or from our scans or capture with no work done on it)- this file is never modified and is the source for all following work and can always be axcessed.

Working Folder( multiple variations: RGBworkingpsd, Lab working psd and occasionaly CMYK working psd.) this folder is the working area where all manipulations are done and can always be opened and adjusted if the print looks like crap, or client wants to make changes.this can be in 8bit or 16 bit.

Print tiff Folders( this is the printing flattened tiff file that is usually in 8 bit and ready for printing) this folder is where I send images to different printing devices, We just purchased the Cannon 60inch output device which apparently can print in 16bit. therefore not always 8bit.

Original- WorkingPSD- Print TIFf-

this workflow seems to work for us but we would not save as jpeg as then you are commited and no chance to edit easily. Tiff is where I would save as, for printing , though we do get a lot of jpeg saved files and usually no problem for small prints but problematic for larger images.

Bob

Mike Richards said:
After PS actions, you may have multiple layers or a single layer that is not named "background." You need to flatten the image so that you have only one background layer, and it must be titled "background." Then save as the others have suggested. Your file format options are also somewhat limited if you are in 16 bit mode. You need to convert to 8 bit to save as a jpeg, but will lose some of the original photo information.

donbga · Dec 16, 2007

bob carnie said:
I would only save to jpeg for the web,
Our workflow is something like this for images

Original folder( this is usually supplied by client or from our scans or capture with no work done on it)- this file is never modified and is the source for all following work and can always be axcessed.

Working Folder( multiple variations: RGBworkingpsd, Lab working psd and occasionaly CMYK working psd.) this folder is the working area where all manipulations are done and can always be opened and adjusted if the print looks like crap, or client wants to make changes.this can be in 8bit or 16 bit.

Print tiff Folders( this is the printing flattened tiff file that is usually in 8 bit and ready for printing) this folder is where I send images to different printing devices, We just purchased the Cannon 60inch output device which apparently can print in 16bit. therefore not always 8bit.

Original- WorkingPSD- Print TIFf-

this workflow seems to work for us but we would not save as jpeg as then you are commited and no chance to edit easily. Tiff is where I would save as, for printing , though we do get a lot of jpeg saved files and usually no problem for small prints but problematic for larger images.

Bob

One thing I will mention in addition to Bob's outline is to save all selections that are made during the editing of an image no matter how simple the selection is. This can save you time down the road if you need to change something in the future.

Don

donbga · Dec 16, 2007

Mike Richards said:
Why the three nos? You said the same thing as I did.

No, I said save the PSD file first, then flatten and convert. Point being, always save the PSD file.

Don Bryant

Mike Richards · Dec 16, 2007

Don Bryant said:
Specious thinking considering how cheap storage is now.

Don Bryant

Understand your point regarding mass storage, but the thinking is hardly erroneous. There are valid and rational reasons to use jpeg when file size is important -- email attachments, web postings and the like for example. It makes sense to use jpeg under these circumstances.

Don Bryant said:
No, I said save the PSD file first, then flatten and convert. Point being, always save the PSD file.

Don Bryant

I'm sure your general workflow recommendation is appreciated even though it exceeds what was asked. I was merely replying to the original inquiry about how to prepare for saving in tiff format, and did not suggest saving or not saving beforehand in PSD or any other format. That's why your triple no admonition made no sense to me.

donbga · Dec 16, 2007

Mike Richards said:
There are valid and rational reasons to use jpeg when file size is important --

Well of course.

Mike Richards said:
I'm sure your general workflow recommendation is appreciated even though it exceeds what was asked. I was merely replying to the original inquiry about how to prepare for saving in tiff format, and did not suggest saving or not saving beforehand in PSD or any other format. That's why your triple no admonition made no sense to me.

It never hurts to share too much info, though my response was pedantic. Anyway I think Ann got the answered she needed, probably more than she bargained for.

Merry Christmas,

Don

ann · Dec 17, 2007

laughed out loud on that one don, as i did find myself thinking . good heavens what have i done; i only wanted a simple how to ..........

and i did get that and more.

however, i also got a tip about split toning and will be helpful.

the other ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i already have my own thoughts

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