Photography is not a very inclusive field according to Photo Lucida's critical mass

MartinCrabtree · Nov 13, 2015

Things are changing. Though one must accept that societal changes proceed at an almost geological pace. Look at the racial strife here in the US. It's no longer openly institutionalized but there nonetheless. As a reasonable citizen all one can do is not participate and when witnessing discrimination (of any type) rally against it. Teach children to accept on character. Slowly it will recede into the past although we may never see it's disappearance we can leave here with the knowledge we did our part.

Gerald C Koch · Nov 13, 2015

MartinCrabtree said:
You [catLABS] simply come here with controversial references and wait for someone to post something contrary so you can espouse your lofty opinion with thinly veiled insults.

I agree.

May I repeat what has been said before on APUG, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

winger · Nov 13, 2015

Truzi said:
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Now, in Catlabs' defense, I really don't care what demographic the company or poster falls in. Sure, there may be curiosity, but it is immaterial to the discussion as far as I'm concerned, and can lead to fallacy arguments.

I do not object to the claims of bias, nor do I refute it's existence.
What I take exception to is articles with poor scientific methods, misinterpretation/misrepresentation, judging people as being prejudiced solely by virtue of their gender/skin tone, and word versus deed.

These threads no longer frustrate me; rather, I am beginning to find them quite amusing.
However, I'm sure if we all took the time, we could probably find some common footing regarding Catlabs' comments. At the moment, one extreme statement will beget comments at opposite extremes. I seriously doubt any of use believe bias does not exist - I think the question is the extent, and whether it has been getting better (and I'm sure our older community members can attest that is has been).

Taking some time to deal with similarities and find common ground may spawn a more constructive conversation on the subject.

Yup! Especially what I put in bold.

Truzi · Nov 14, 2015

Meā culpā

I stand corrected, and apologize for a broad and sweeping statement. I was "checking my work," and did find diversity in the form of female presence in Catlabs-created Youtube content.

Sirius Glass · Nov 14, 2015

Gerald C Koch said:
I agree.

May I repeat what has been said before on APUG, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

+10,000

pbromaghin · Nov 14, 2015

Truzi said:
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I do not object to the claims of bias, nor do I refute it's existence.
What I take exception to is articles with poor scientific methods, misinterpretation/misrepresentation, judging people as being prejudiced solely by virtue of their gender/skin tone, and word versus deed.

<not so big snip>

I seriously doubt any of use believe bias does not exist - I think the question is the extent, and whether it has been getting better (and I'm sure our older community members can attest that is has been).

Taking some time to deal with similarities and find common ground may spawn a more constructive conversation on the subject.

I refuse to accept judgement by my skin color or my gender. I refuse to be judged guilty by the behavior of another person. Anybody who does not acknowledge that America has changed in the last 50+ years is a liar and a fool. This is not the same country I was born into in 1957.

MartinCrabtree · Nov 14, 2015

Yet it amazes me how far we haven't come in those 58 years. Yes women can easily do things outside marriage and children. And brown people can walk down the street and get a meal w/o being beaten. Like I said earlier progress is slow for no reason other than stubbornness. We can do better.

Jeff Bradford · Nov 14, 2015

Perhaps the lack of representation of certain social or ethnic groups is by their own preference. When someone doesn't aspire to be your peer, why is that their disadvantage and not your own?

Photography is not a very inclusive field according to Photo Lucida's critical mass

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