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Photography book prices rising beyond the grasp of real enthusiasts.

CropDusterMan

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(a bit of a rant here, but I do have a point)
I have a constantly growing library, like many of you, of photography books...books by many of
the photographers work I enjoy. They are well read, and a constant reference for me to gain
insight and inspiration. Notice I referred to it as a "library". Libraries get used. The online
marketplace has given us all, good and bad, a general reference point of an items worth, and
quite quickly when doing ones research on a future purchase or something they plan to sell, they
consult the mecca of ebay. Even at a flea market, you'll hear the seller quote "what it's going for on Ebay".
Going for and actually selling at are different things. I often begrudgingly purchase books on ebay, as so many of the old bookstores I visited are gone due to rising rent and neighborhood gentrification, now occupied by hipster coffee joints. (the sarcasm is pretty thick here)

Photo book prices being established by the online sellers are more than skewed for the most part, especially
with books that had thousands of copies produced. Unless we are talking first editions of low run numbers, most of the books are overpriced, and although I am a proponent of the open market, many of these books are getting to be so expensive, they are no longer available to those who truly love the work of the artist they present. Just because the photographer is now gone, doesn't justify these overinflated prices. Recently,
I saw several of the same book on ebay in identical condition listed for different prices that ranged in the hundreds of dollars, and in this instance, I know that over 3000 copies of that book were published. Look at any of the listings for Robert Franks The Americans, and it's comical. Unless they are first editions, and most aren't, their actual collectors value is nil. Sure, a seller wants to make money, but $200 for a tattered yellowed edged book from a secondary or tertiary print run numbering in the thousands....come on.

Just very frustrated. I feel an artists work should be viewable to the masses, and I don't mean on a monitor, but in a book in your hand...and before you say "go to a library then"...go to one and see the lack of
representation I refer to on books on the subject, other than "Nikon's guide to digital.
 
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Yes, some of the them are completely overpriced. I keep looking at my cluttered library when I see the prices and think about monetizing my clutter!
 
I sympathize with having no old bookstores anymore, entire suburbs and towns being overun by hipsters. Just how many darn coffee shops do we need and i don't even drink the crap!

The same with old second hand and antiques stores being replaced with fake ones. Old hifi stores turned into bose worshippers.

I go to a flea market, i want and expect junk, not some hipsters old clothes and little arts and crafts! Very sad, oh well what can you do?
 
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Best examples of 'overpriced'...text books in college bookstores. Photography books are bargains by comparison!

I just went to the online bookstore for UC Berkeley, and a freshman 2nd semester biology book is $109.
A book for Chemistry 105 is $440/
 
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I imagine it has to do with decreased sales. It's a sad thing but most people don't read printed books anymore. Most people get their information via the internet or e-books. There may come a day when printed books are rare and very pricey luxuries.
 
Best examples of 'overpriced'...text books in college bookstores. Photography books are bargains by comparison!

I just went to the online bookstore for UC Berkeley, and a freshman 2nd semester biology book is $109.
A book for Chemistry 105 is $440/
That situation is very close to criminally wrong!
 
Having been in the used book business, I've seen this kind of thing a lot. ebay tends to set the market price for a great number of things, and it's a mixed blessing.

Honest and knowledgeable booksellers should be able to defend their asking price, or you can try and bargain if you think it is too high. Certainly there is a big difference in ebay between the "ask" price and the sold price. But if a bookseller has a copy of xyz book that sells for $30.00 on ebay, for example, there is no particular reason he should sell it to you for $15 just because that is the price you'd prefer to pay.

The reverse happens quite a lot too, you may find a copy of XYZ by Saint Ansel, or whomever that consistently sells on ebay or shows up in Bookfinder.com for 100 bucks on the shelf for 2.50 because the bookseller either doesn't know what he has, or doesn't care. If you know what you are looking at, for and it's value you are in control either way. If you know a given book's value is well below the asking price, and you really want to buy it, speak up. You may or may not prevail, but it doesn't hurt to call them on their gambit.

As for text books, they are printed in very limited numbers compared to mass market books, and they spoil easily, in that they may become outdated quickly. Hence, they aren't cheap. The captive market plays some roll too, but not as much as people like to imagine.
 
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IDK

some books use exquiste printing processes that cost more than
a run of the mill book. i have some karsh books and images look like photogravures; they have a rough texture.. other books well, the authors DESERVE to be paid.

we dropped a library book off a few years ago, at one of their free standing drop boxes
just outside the library, ( i'll never do that again ) and the book was misplaced / lost / mishelved
for a few weeks and i almost had to buy a replacement. the same book, same publisher, same hardcover
came in 4 different versions with 1 costing about $10 ( new ) and the "library version " costing $50.
i was told it was because the binding was made stronger, took higher grade materials &c to withstand
5000 people opening and shutting it over and over again. having done bookbinding i know it would be worth the extra $$ for higher quality "tougher" materials.

maybe the high cost of "art books" is a combination between high-end printing, paper &c, and careful binding
i've some books and i pretty much "got what i paid for" ... they were cheap and fell apart.
college bookstores, i think they charge what they do, because ... they can.
 
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Oh boy! I have a son in first year college...I feel the pain on college books.

Reminds me of a great Rodney Dangerfield line from "Back to School":


Thornton Melon: [in college bookstore] Hey, you guys get everything you need?

Jason Melon: Oh, yeah, we got it.

Thornton Melon: Good... Hey! What's with the used books?

Jason Melon: Well, what's wrong with used books?

Thornton Melon: They've already been read!

Jason Melon: Yeah, and they already been UNDER-LINED, too. Get it?

Thornton Melon: That's the problem. The last guy who under-lined them, he could have been a maniac! Hey, get these guys some new books. Huh? Get some new books, will ya?
 
go to a library then"...go to one and see the lack of
representation I refer to on books on the subject, other than "Nikon's guide to digital.

I've been lucky to live in new york and have a membership of new york public library. they do have an awesome collection of mostly all the photo books I wanted to checkout. couple of them were only onsite request (which means that you can't them home) but that's okay too but I totally understand what you're talking about. I don't really know if the books are overpriced or it actually worth the price that is being advertised, anyways as you said it's beyond the reach of enthusiasts, usually what I'd do is to keep looking on Amazon for a used copy in good condition and if found one I do read the description to find out the condition if there are marks or anything, sometimes I contact the seller and ask him, I also watch the book or the author on ebay. but there are some books that I don't think they are gonna get cheap (for ex Sexton books are usually expensive and also MK)
 
i joined "paperback bookswap" a number of years ago... you post your books online, when someone wants it, you post it to them - it costs you $3-4 postage, US. you get a "credit"

you then use that credit to request a book, and that person sends it - no cost to you. I've collected probably 50 or more photos essay/monographs, for a mere pittance. yes they are used, but i have yet to get a significantly damaged book and most are in great shape... lotsa great photo's to mull over!

'bout time for me to pare down tho'.

jvo
 
ohhow muchI wish this were true;to me the information in these books is worth every penny and very hard to get to otherwise;this internet pdf 'everything must be for free' attitude is very damaging for a sharing community.
 
I have no problem paying for a book, just not ridiculously over-priced amounts based on arbitrary perceived values by the seller.
As I mentioned in my original post...I am not looking to see images online, but rather, book in hand.
 
The photo book market is a little strange. Out of print books seem to jump way up in price at which point I no longer am interested (but sometimes kick myself). I suspect some slight shenanigans, but I have to admit I have taken advantage of that inflation a handful of times over the years. I think book prices have escalated over the last decade as a result of print prices escalating in both size and subsequently, price. You can't go buy a print from your favorite photographer for a few hundred bucks anymore. That creates a vacuum of demand, and is one of the main reasons why there are so many books being produced. In a lot of ways books have taken the place of prints for the average person.

I tend to buy monographs when new, but mostly stick to museum productions. I also buy the "deluxe" version sometimes when it is available. A few years ago there were three versions of The Americans produced. Even though I already had an older version (since sold) I bought the deluxe version. Well worth the money I spent on it and the extra time it took me to chase it down.

Used technical books are a dime a dozen these days. There have been a few I have been meaning to pick up and they only cost a few bucks a piece. It seems no one wants those any more, although you can't find the information that they contain on the internet. So much for the idea that everything is on the internet.
 
It's sort of like used FEDS vs used Leicas; out of print books that no one wants to look at or read don't tend to do well in the used market, but when no fresh copies of a desirable book are available then the price increases. This is not at all unique to the photo book market, however.

"Get it while you can"
 
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This isn't anything to do with "photo books", it could be a moan about anything someone wants costing more than they are willing to pay.
I might as well start a thread complaining about the cost of Hasselblad 500CMs, or sheep's yoghourt, or Picasso etchings.
 

Too true. A publisher like Nazraeli has to cover enormous production and printing costs and hopefully make a small profit in an environment where they may sell 1,000 copies of one book. That's about as niche as it gets.
And I guarantee you there's not much in it for the photographer, maybe a few dollars per book.

As passionate as we are about photography, it's a vanishingly small fraction of the population. Selling the books for less would most likely mean that they wouldn't get made in the first place.
 
And while we're complaining, how about all these "Photo Contests" where you pay $50 to enter and maybe they print one of your pictures in PDN or put a couple on the wall at their "gallery" where nothing ever sells? <grumble>

My advice, save the $ for a nice photo book.

And while I'm complaining, can we put a moratorium on portraits of hipsters? I see another photo of some man-bunned artisanal cheese maker, I'm going to scream.
 
Yesterday, I purchased huge and heavy new in plastic, printed in USA photo book for 145 CAD, tax included. I can't call it overpriced.
But, on previous week, I didn't purchased huge and heave used book for 35 USD. Because USPS wants 68 USD for shipping fron New Jersey to South Ontario.
While I shipped today 20 pounds box with 4x5 View Camera from Ontario to California for same price. Maybe some bookstores have higher prices due to USPS gauging?
 
The border and postage drives me insane...I have family near Belleville, and the cost to ship them things is
Asinine.
 
I imagine it has to do with decreased sales. It's a sad thing but most people don't read printed books anymore. Most people get their information via the internet or e-books. There may come a day when printed books are rare and very pricey luxuries.
reading a book on a monitor is just not the same thing as browsing through a piece of treeware. I love the feel and smell of a real book.
 
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