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... I see no correlation between film and digital photography. Both could be done good or awful.

OP - no, your not getting old... being older gives you a different perspective, let's say different accumulated experience and sensitivities such that certain styles seems less authentic. it's an educated palette, not better just different. someday the appreciation for that wider understanding will be a distant memory to most.
 

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I am a mostly self-taught amateur photographer. I am also a classically trained violinist. By my early teens I was playing for paying audiences alongside professional musicians both within orchestras and as a soloist. I decided around age 13/14 not to pursue music as a career although I probably could have. To me, music is as much about the emotions it conjures up as it is about anything...whatever the genre. I'm into trad jazz, modern jazz, jazz-rock fusion, baroque, classical, rock n' roll, classic rock, progressive rock and some metal.....but most electronic music just leaves me cold. That Jarre fellow had a few decent records and The Pet Shop Boys know how to write lyrics...

I was in a hotel in Crete last week, swimming lazily in the pool around 11am when a "DJ" started blasting techno music for people to exercise to. Monotonous 4/4 time heavy electronic beats, all around 150bpm with no melody, no key shifts, no time signature change for the entire hour....how on earth can people actually stand to listen to that? It has no soul, no variation....it's not even a jazz guitarist noodling to himself. It's nothing. I made an exit to the sanctity of my hotel room.

But the rot set in much earlier. I remember reading in drummer Bill Bruford's autobiography of an incident around 1990 where he was recording a drum track for some record or other (possibly Yes' ill-fated Union album) and he made a slight timing error striking one of the drums. He wanted to re-record it but the engineer told him not to worry, he could digitally edit it to sound in time....we call this "quantising" today....musicians don't even have to play the right notes at the right time, nor sing them. The software can correct almost anything. I also read of a 21st century band, possibly the Kaiser Chiefs, who were involved in a project to re-record every track from Sgt Pepper for it's 40th anniversary in 2007. Several modern acts each recorded one track. They spent the morning floundering around in the studio getting nowhere until the producer advised they play together, as The Beatles had done....rather than isolate each member in an individual booth and lay down tracks on by one. After another hour or so they got it, and the band said it also had a significant boost to how they played live on stage....nobody had ever taught them how to play together!

Starting March this year I've been frequenting a small club in my town known mostly for blues and jazz with other "alternative" music acts such as some African artists, Americana, boogie-woogie and so on. The sound engineer there is praised by every act that visits, some of whom play around the globe with A-listers. The dynamics are wonderful, and people listen....so you get the full dynamic range from pin-drop quiet to ear-splitting. I think that is what's missing from so much recorded music. Listen to the early Telarc LPs such as Frederick Fennel's Music for the Royal Fireworks.....this was an early Soundstream digital recording and it is magnificent. 100dB dynamic range on the original digital tape and 96dB dynamic range on the LP. At the time people blew up speakers with it, there is even a warning on a slip of paper not to listen at high volume. It is literally like having a symphony orchestra in one's living room. The engineers didn't close mic every instrument as is common today because they had a basic understanding that the orchestra is positioned the way it is in order to meld the sound together....bass drums at the back because the low frequencies have higher pressure, brass usually with them....strings in the middle and woodwind at the side or front with the soloist also at the front - if soloist there be. Close micing each instrument as is common today just produces too much detail and doesn't achieve the effect that the composer or conductor was trying to achieve aurally.

The pop music loudness wars just destroyed any semblance of good pop music production from the mid 90s onwards....though I'll grant you that Mark Ronson isn't a bad record producer. But the art of knowing just how to mic every instrument, of playing together properly has all but been lost. In 2016 the British band Madness recorded an album 70s style. playing together recorded to 8-track 2" tape. It sounds *alive*. I understand the studio they recorded in used no piece of equipment more recent than 1968 in recording that album and it sounds great. OK yes there's some distortion as the levels were too high at times but the band is playing as a band, recorded onto analogue tape by someone who has at least a basic idea what they're doing.

I might add that tape engineering was something else I could have gone into...having experimented with 4-track recorders, boundary mics and mixing consoles even before I was a teenager. Self taught again, as is my photography.


Ah...photography.....there's always been an element of "editing in post" even if that meant dodging and burning or tinting in the dark room. But somehow things seem to have moved from trying to get it right in the camera and making subtle alterations to not caring how you shoot and fixing everything with Photoshop. It has no soul....a real photographic challenge is using slide film where you damned well have to get it right first time.

I'll get my pipe and slippers....no...wait...I am only 46....
 

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My friends were not very good prognosticators in the mid 1950s. When R&R began to show its head we were into music...jazz, especially bop, classical, hillbilly, rhythm and blues ...we doubted R&R would last as a fad for more than a year or two. Here we are, over half century later and for the most part, music is on its heels. I know several good drummers, who can really play sophisticated jazz drums, but play R&R to survive. At age 46, you are not old enough to appreciate the extent of degeneration...and this includes classical, and especially opera.
 

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I have heard "Le Sacre Du Printemps" many times, but when I heard it conducted by Igor Stravinsky, even as old and feeble as he was, it was awesome.
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Ok, now I am really jealous! What were the circumstances, Ron? "Le Sacre du Printemps" is possibly my favourite piece of orchestral music and I have heard it played live, but not conducted by the man himself!
 

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It was in the late '60s or early '70s at Eastman Theater. They had set the podium up kind of like a walker so that he could hold on if necessary. He also conducted Petroushka IIRC. It was a mix of Stravinsky. Right after that, in a few weeks, they had Oiven Feldstadt conducting Greig music. It was on a Scandinavian night with ushers in costume and etc. I had this particular mix by Feldstadt on a record, but it was amazing to hear the intro. to Pier Gynt with a 12 string violin at the opening.

Real stuff by real artists make other stuff pale in comparison. Original photos shown to workshops at GEM are quite inspiring. Same thing really.

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I don't think you're getting old. I think you're getting more particular.

I've played bass much longer than I've been involved in photography and I've played in many, many bands. I consider it a hobby. While I do get paid to play from time to time it's never been a lot and it's never been my main source of income. I mostly play rock, pop and blues with occasional forays into jazz, swing and country and I double on upright bass, but I'm far more comfortable on electric. As a photographer I never even tried to make money at it. I just like it.

As someone who has had both music and photography as 'serious' hobbies for a long time, I've come to the conclusion that both art forms are subject to the same phenomenon: During every era people shake their heads and say that the 'real' art is gone and all the new stuff is crap. In reality, I suspect that MOST of the art created during every era is crap and a small percentage of art from every era is great. Furthermore I think that both music and photography are as healthy as ever. By that I mean that a small percentage of people are making great music and great photographs today, as a small percentage always have, and the rest is not particularly noteworthy. The reason, I believe, people tend to harp on the idea that new art is bad and old art was good is that we tend not to remember the stuff that wasn't very memorable to begin with. We only remember the stuff that was truly memorable and then nostalgia takes over and we think "Wow... art was better back then!"

It's exacerbated by the technology that makes nearly everything available to us almost immediately. In the past we would never have expended the effort required to get to the mediocre art but now there's no effort involved so we get flooded with it. It's right there online. The flip side of that is that technology also makes the good stuff easier to get to, but we have to do a lot more filtering to find the stuff we like - and I think that's what's bringing the phenomenon to your attention.

Yes, it's true that the general populace has atrocious taste in music, photography, art in general, etc... it's because they don't know any better but, more importantly, I doubt they ever did. If you listen to the music that was the most popular during any given era, a lot of it is pretty embarrassing. Remember; a lot of music (and photography) that we now think of as 'classic' was pretty underground at the time it was happening.
 
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