Photography AI as art

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An AI computer is not sentient. It does not know itself. It doesn't feel happiness. It doesn't have a bad day. It has no morals, no ethics, no heart, no spirit. Fast data manipulation and presentations in human terms does not make it human. That's just an illusion.
 
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Frankly, I think your ideas are dung.
 

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You're free to think that, but given the inconsistencies and sloppiness of your reasoning, I don't attribute much value to that assessment.
 

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Let's face it, we are living in "The Age of Deconstruction," where many and perhaps most of what we believed in has been turned on its head. Get used to it.
 

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Thanks for the correction, if somewhat brutally executed. I apologise for my poor understanding. Actually I think I have grasped the basic idea of neural networks in terms of learning, and the fact that we can’t really ‘see’ what has been learned. What I (evidently) don’t yet understand (but hope you are going to explain) is how the AI engine actually manipulates pixels unless by convolving matrices? Please be gentle with those of us who are eager but struggling to understand.
 

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The local community college that maintained a well regarded photographic vocational training program for decades, recently shut it down. The main reasons cited for that, and what I understand is the predominant trend in the photographic universe, is that AI generated illustration has already basically eliminated most of the market for commercial and illustrative photography.
So we are seeing a massive shift in paradigm. Those sorts of shifts usually bring about huge disruptions, much anguish, and some interesting/unexpected benefits.
Most of us who are older here on Photrio probably aren't well suited to adapting to the change, so it is important for us to get the benefits we can from the niches we are comfortable inhabiting.
 
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You're free to think that, but given the inconsistencies and sloppiness of your reasoning, I don't attribute much value to that assessment.

I don;t think much of yours either.
 
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I don't even have a smart phone and the basic mobile I do have is always turned off.
 

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Studio car photographers (there used to be a lot of them in L.A.) were severely hurt by the advent of CGI using 3D modeling to create realistic car images. Now lifestyle photographers are getting it from AI. In the commercial arena, traditional photography is going the way of old-style illustration. Plus, tastes change and slick AI and Photoshopped images are what clients and the public are drawn to (pun maybe intended).
 
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This sounds about right for our current situation.
 

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The masses are quite accepting of AI and use it quite a bit, from enhancing photos to answering questions. The iffy part of AI is it is based on data that may or may not be accurate. AI lies are not uncommon.

AI can be an invaluable tool with a multitude of benefits when used judiciously and responsibly. The real victim of pernicious use of AI is fact and truth. Not that they were immune to begin with. Just as many state as fact something with no basis that they pull out off their asses, the same can be done with imagery today.
 
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On the subject of AI art, i happened to be researching some Edward Hopper paintings and noticed a girl on a train with a laptop. As he died in 1967, I wondered how this could be: -

 

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I’ve seen a version of Nighthawks depicting the diner scene from Pulp Fiction.
 

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I made this one for Alan.

The prompt was ”A depressed photographer is in bed using his laptop to make AI pictures of landscapes.”

 
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I made this one for Alan.

The prompt was ”A depressed photographer is in bed using his laptop to make AI pictures of landscapes.”

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Almost what I was suggesting. Except reverse the images and make it snowy cold outside with a warm AI computer photo inside.
 
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Only AI would conjure that a person (of unknown gender) propped up in bed with their PC would need a coffee cup with two handles...

Still, that is an improvement on the 6 or 7 fingers that frequently crop up.
 
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Only AI would conjure that a person (of unknown gender) propped up in bed with their PC would need a coffee cup with two handles...

Still, that is an improvement on the 6 or 7 fingers that frequently crop up.

You don't know me in the morning.
 

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Only AI would conjure that a person (of unknown gender) propped up in bed with their PC would need a coffee cup with two handles...

Still, that is an improvement on the 6 or 7 fingers that frequently crop up.



You always need to watch out for that product placement ....
 
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