@nikos79, I think you may have wrongly accused @snusmumriken of confusing "content" with "meaning or conceptualism"? That was my mistake.
To me @nikos79 use of the word "content" in post #61 was very vague. Some discussions of "content" in art used the word "meaning" as a synonym, which to me, suggests ideas or concepts that can be expressed in words, if you have the vocabulary for it. But if you add or substitute "feeling/emotion" to the definition of the word "content," then that widens the scope considerably. Now we are getting somewhere!
I very much agree with @koraks when he suggests that we humans can experience feeling and emotions on a much more universal level (compared to ideas or concepts). At first I thought @nikos79 was trying to say every photo should have some kind of meaning or idea to be conveyed, and that I could not agree with. But the idea that a photo can convey emotion is much more acceptable to me, because I believe we humans are wired that way, no higher education required. If the word "content" includes emotion, then the discussion makes a lot more sense to me.
@nikos79, I think you may have wrongly accused @snusmumriken of confusing "content" with "meaning or conceptualism"? That was my mistake.
Huh? How about the thunder in Strauss' Alpensinfonie? Or the crafting of the sword in Wagner's Siegfried? The thousands of instances of birds singing, wind blowing, water rushing, leaves rustling esp. in the romantic period? That's not even counting the less direct/literal figures used to convey specific themes. A case of very, very unfortunate formulation that doesn't express what you intended to say...I hope?Classical music is a very abstract art form and it can carry no meanings or symbolisms.
If there is something in a photograph that moves you and you don't know or can define what it is then this is the content.
Huh? How about the thunder in Strauss' Alpensinfonie? Or the crafting of the sword in Wagner's Siegfried? The thousands of instances of birds singing, wind blowing, water rushing, leaves rustling esp. in the romantic period? That's not even counting the less direct/literal figures used to convey specific themes. A case of very, very unfortunate formulation that doesn't express what you intended to say...I hope?
Huh??
No!
Oh man. Well. Maybe you'll get it some day.
I wanted to point to the fact that I can appreciate music without the need of any explanation or hidden meanings because the music it inherently carries abstraction as it doesn't speak ideas, it doesn't show the reality it mostly connects to our hearing and emotions
If you have to come up with a text to justify a photo then the photo is weak in my opinion
Thin ice, nikos! Thin ice! To me, the second quote comes dangerously close to contradicting the first one. ;-)I will try to give my very own definition of the content.
The content is what makes a photograph have a reason to exist by transforming the reality to a "photographic" reality
Thin ice, nikos! Thin ice! To me, the second quote comes dangerously close to contradicting the first one. ;-)
@nikos79, I think you may have wrongly accused @snusmumriken of confusing "content" with "meaning or conceptualism"? That was my mistake.
I will try to give an example of the content of a photo.
Here the content of the photo can be anything but is very strong. It can be a man looking at his death as many have said it can be a man simply looking at his life or a shadow looking at the horizon. Anything is possible and he have no clue what that meant to the photographer and we probably don't care because most probably meant nothing. The content emerged for the photographer AFTER the photo was developed and not before.
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I will try to give an example of the content of a photo.
Here the content of the photo can be anything but is very strong. It can be a man looking at his death as many have said it can be a man simply looking at his life or a shadow looking at the horizon. Anything is possible and he have no clue what that meant to the photographer and we probably don't care because most probably meant nothing. The content emerged for the photographer AFTER the photo was developed and not before.
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The content emerged for the photographer AFTER the photo was developed and not before.
The content is what makes a photograph have a reason to exist by transforming the reality to a "photographic" reality
I will try to give an example of the content of a photo.
Here the content of the photo can be anything but is very strong. It can be a man looking at his death as many have said it can be a man simply looking at his life or a shadow looking at the horizon. Anything is possible and he have no clue what that meant to the photographer and we probably don't care because most probably meant nothing. The content emerged for the photographer AFTER the photo was developed and not before.
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Kind of like saying "A photograph is a photograph because it's a photograph", isn't it?
Your explanation is an interpretation of the content, not the content itself. The content is the shapes and tones, the subject is a view of a railing and the sea, sky and the shape of a human through a translucent panel.
Shapes and tones may describe forms in a photograph, but the form is the physical photograph itself.Shapes and tones is the form not the content
Shapes and tones may describe forms in a photograph, but the form is the physical photograph itself.
Yeah fork and content should be inseparable in good photos.
I will try to give an example of the content of a photo.
Here the content of the photo can be anything but is very strong. It can be a man looking at his death as many have said it can be a man simply looking at his life or a shadow looking at the horizon. Anything is possible and he have no clue what that meant to the photographer and we probably don't care because most probably meant nothing. The content emerged for the photographer AFTER the photo was developed and not before.
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Personally the is no chaos in this picture what so ever. Not even the slightest suggestion of chaos.
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